Show Notes
6-17-14
Intro
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News
- BAO Update
- Scions and LotD classification.
- 7th ed BAO format test runs, missions, Lords of War, and MSU Scoring Armies.
- Winning strategies for our missions.
- Discuss further the ins and outs of writing a list in 7th ed.
- Australian FAT Mat distribution is going to be a reality in the very near future! Purchase through us, shipped locally. New Zealand, too! Shoot your order to Orders@FrontlineGaming.org
- Powers of the North is hosting a BAO practice event! Every 3rd Saturday at the Vets Center in Cotati, California. They will be practicing for Warmahordes and 40K.
- Kromlech releases some Squig like minis!
- Bolt Action releases a new British carrier section.
- Toughest Girls in the Galaxy shows off a new Sniper model! These should be available in the not so distant future.
- Raging Heroes shows off their Legendary Glutton model.
- HiTech releases a new mini, Odinn.
- Puppets War releases some Cyber Anthropods
- Super Dungeon Explore releases an Undead Pirate Captain that looks pretty awesome!
Rumors: The Rumor Section is gathered from the web and is not in any way information we receive from any manufacturer nor is it necessarily accurate. This section of the podcast is intended for entertainment purposes only.
Rant Session
- Reading Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons.
Tactics Corner
Rules Lawyer
List Review
captain – artificer armor, jump pack, burning blade, shield eternal
10x tactical marines – meltabombs, melta, combi melta, rhino
10x tactical marines – meltabombs, melta, combi melta, rhino
10x tactical marines – meltabombs, melta, combi melta, rhino
5x scouts – snipers, cloaks
5x scouts – snipers, cloaks
10x sterngaurd – melta bomb, 5 x combiplas( maybe 3 plas and 2 something else), drop pod
10x assault marines – melta bombs, flamer
10x assault marines – melta bombs, flamer
storm talon – skyhammer, assault cannon
stalker
Model Count:77
can you not read the relics section differently? don’t have my books[on tour] but I’m sure there was some controversy about it, did you guys just pick one interpretation or is it just brutally clear?
It’s pretty brutally clear, it says only 1 can be chosen per army, and even adds that there is only 1 of each of these items in the galaxy.
Yes 1 of each per army, and it says a character can swap a weapon for one and characters have two weapons so they can take two items form the relic list, three if you take the suit of armor
Oh Ok I see it now.
See I’m always bad at this kind of stuff because when something says only 1 of these in the galaxy I don’t assume I would have 3 or more of them heh.
Could he then take the boltgun too since the shield and blade are CC weapons and he clearly has a ranged weapon as well…thus taking 4 if he took the armor as well?
For that matter the standard isn’t a weapon at all so could he actually replace his CC weapons with 1 of the blades, the shield, his ranged weapon with the boltgun, his armor with the armor, and the standard as a wargear choice?
It seems like all the fluff text they pretty clearly intended for you to take 1 of the relics, but ya saying 1 of each is pretty badly written for that purpose.
For some reason the voice in your ad just reminds me of this:
http://youtu.be/Bek6nQGw520?t=38s
Haha you’re sick sir.
Lol!
I unfortunately have a wedding to attend during the BAO and I am really really bummed about it…. I hope it all works out guys.
Ah, no worries. You’ll be missed, buddy!
Feel free to copy this elsewhere or delete. This is longer than I originally planned.
I would like to start by saying good job guys; you do a hella’va lot of good for the tournament scene. I also want to say I completely understand what you are saying about C.A.D lists and how you create them.
Stating that, I would like you to consider the weirdness that this creates. For the purposes of this conversation I ‘m going to talk about Farsight and Iyanden supplements and there new F.A.Qs, because these are the ones I own. According to the F.A.Qs all references to Army have been replaced with detachment except for the first.
Ex. “A Farsight Enclaves army is chosen using the army list presented in Codex: Tau Empire.” And “An Iyanden army is chosen using the army list presented in Codex: Eldar.”
Now all this means is that when I create my army it is a Farsight Enclaves Army or Iyandren army, and I can use these new rules from the Supplement, nothing that effects the C.A.D yet.
Now let’s look at what happens when we start taking options from these Supplements.
Iyanden: As soon as I select the Shadow Council option from this supplement my C.A.D becomes An “Iyanden Detachment”. Here is the rule with the F.A.Q in effect: “Shadow Council An Iyanden detachment may take up to…” However, for your purpose of army building it does not matter because all of the rules in Iyandren say “MAY” when you select them and don’t effect the entire detachment.
Farsight Enclave: Here is where we get weird. As soon as I select option from this supplement my C.A.D becomes A “Farsight Enclaves Detachment”. Here is are truncated rules with the F.A.Q in effect: (No full quotes for legal purposes)
“BATTLESUIT SPEARHEAD
In a Farsight Enclaves detachment, all XV8 Crisis Teams are troops choices instead of elites choices. However, when choosing a Farsight Enclaves detachment, you must include …
ORK HUNTERS
Units in a Farsight Enclaves detachment have the Preferred …
TA’LISSERA BOND
Units in a Farsight Enclaves detachment that have the option … must do so.
SIGNATURE SYSTEMS
Any character in your detachment that may select Signature Systems may not select from those listed in Codex: Tau Empire, …
FARSIGHT’S COMMANDER TEAM
When choosing a Farsight Enclaves detachment, you have access to a special unit called Farsight’s Commander Team. …
DIVERGENT DESTINY
A Farsight Enclaves detachment cannot include Aun’Va or Commander Shadowsun.”
Here is where It messes up the C.A.D rules. To use any of these rules your detachment must be a Farsight Enclave detachment. And unlike Iyanden There are a lot of “MUST” in those rules that effect the entire detachment not just the units.
Example: If I wanted to use the rules for “Battlesuit Spearhead” then I can no longer be a C.A.D because the rule states that I must be a a Farsight Enclaves detachment, and I can no longer have XV8’s in the elite slots. Because the rule effects the entire detachment, and now that I’m a a Farsight Enclaves detachment I have to take everything that I “must” take that comes along with it. IE. “ORK HUNTERS”, “TA’LISSERA BOND” “SIGNATURE SYSTEMS”, “DIVERGENT DEsTINY”. All these rules are detachment wide. You cannot have fire warriors without “ORK HUNTERS”, or Units without “TA’LISSERA BOND” that can take them.
Boy that was Long!! OK, now that I have stated the perceived problem it would not be right or polite not to offer up a possible solution to get ripped apart.
As the BRB says you can and should create your own detachment types, C.A.D and Allied are just the ones given, so let’s do just that.
Tournament Primary Detachment:
Uses Combined Arms Detachment Force Org Chart from BRB.
Restrictions:
All units chosen must have the same Codex or be a codex supplement detachment or have no Faction.
Your Warlord must be in this detachment.
(I’m not good at rules writing, but I hope you get my meaning)
Command Benefits:
Ideal Mission Commander: This is your Primary Detachment, you can choose to re-roll the result on the Warlord Trait table.
Objective Secured: All Troops units from this Detachment have the Objective Secured special rule. A unit with this special rule controls objectives even if an enemy scoring unit is within range of the objective marker, unless the enemy unit also has this special rule.
Tournament Secondary Detachment
Uses Allied Detachment Force Org Chart from BRB.
RESTRICTIONS:
All units chosen must have the same Codex or be a codex supplement detachment or have no Faction.
Cannot use secondary detachment if your army has a formation.
Reference Allies matrix, No Come the apocalypse with Primary Detachment.
Command Benefits:
Objective Secured: All Troops units from this Detachment have the Objective Secured special rule. A unit with this special rule controls objectives even if an enemy scoring unit is within range of the objective marker, unless the enemy unit also has this special rule.
And there you have it. This solution allows for the supplements to abide by their rules, also it allows for an elder detachment to ally with an Iyanden army, or a Farsight detachment to aid and regular TAU detachment. It also allows you to ally with yourself without the full C.A.D chart issues. IE. You can’t have 4 SM commanders running around. No one can have more than 3 HQ.
Sorry if this is too long. Feel free to delete or copy it to the boards.
Love Hyperion and the fall. Don’t forget to read the sequels. Endymion and the rise of Endymion.
Yes! I moved them up in my queue to next in line after these!
Do what you do Frankie! Make magic happen