Show Notes
4-22-14
Intro
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News
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- Heavy Gear shows off some of their very good looking new minis!
- Puppets War releases a digital image of a new Ork Flyer!
- Raging Heroes shows off one of their beautifully painted Cyberwolves and some of their Dwarves.
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Rumors: The Rumor Section is gathered from the web and is not in any way information we receive from any manufacturer nor is it necessarily accurate. This section of the podcast is intended for entertainment purposes only.
- Supposedly Chenkov, Marbo and Al’Rahem are going to be coming back in supplements. A Catachan supplement was mentioned.
- More rumors that a 7th edition of 40k is inbound. Rumors indicate that Escalation and Stronghold Assault will be in the book with some changes. Rumors that there will be a psychic phase ala 2nd edition.
Rant Session
Tactics Corner
Rules Lawyer
List Review
Hey guys looks to start an AM army soon and would like some advice on a build I’m working on. I’ve never played guard before so any advice is welcome:
;Company command squad, vox caster, officer of the fleet/
*commissar, power weapon/
*primaris psyker, level 2/
*ministorium priest/
Troops
;Platoon command squad, vox caster/
*infantry squad, vox caster, autocannon, flamer, krak grenades/
*infantry squad, autocannon, flamer, krak grenades/
*infantry squad, autocannon, flamer, krak grenades/
*special weapons squad, 3 flamers/
*special weapons squad, 3 flamers/
;Veterans squad, 2 melta guns, demolitions, chimera, dozer blade/
Fast Attack
;Vendetta gunship/
;Vendetta gunship/
Heavy Support
;Manticore/
;Manticore/
;Leman russ squadron:
*LR punisher, side sponson heavy bolters, dozer blade/
*LR punisher, side sponson heavy bolters, dozer blade/
Fortification
;Skyshield landing pad/
-The idea is I’ll put the blob squad with the psyker and priest, PCS, and CCS on the Skyshield so they have good LOS, survivability against heldrakes and the like, and are centralized so the primaris and priest can effect them the best.
-I’ll put the special weapons squads in the vendettas to drop onto objects and (hopefully) burn campers off late game
-the Leman Russ squadron for high strength shots against FMC/MC
-the manticores for anti armor/infantry
-the vet squad w/ chimera and commissar to hold in reserves for late game contesting and/or dealing with big ass walkers (knights) or holding an objective if necessary (commissar hopefully will help the from running away)
-only reason the commissar has a power weapon is because I dig the new plastic version and he comes with that instead of a chainsword.
5 troops may not be enough. The special weapon squads and PCS die really easily…. I’d consider dropping a manticore for a second primaris, second commissar and one more vet or infantry squad(that doesn’t get blobbed). You may find that the priest doesn’t get a chance to use his power very often and at LDR7 it prob wont go off very consistently. If you do plan on a lot of CC with the blob then they need axes and grenade(krak and or melta) and an inquis with hammerhand and rad grenades. Just an IMO! Best of luck with your AM!
Yeah, IG scoring units are squishy, true. They get mulched if any attention is paid to them.
Yep, I agree IG generally needs 6-8 scoring units due to their squishiness.
Which way are you leaning on the battle bros thing? Will you turn them into allies of convenience altogether, or will you allow some aspects of the rule to remain such as benefiting from warlord traits, pyschic powers, not getting hit by the warp storm table, etc?
I like battle bros, personally. But, we’re going to wait and see what GW does in the rumored 7th ed update before making our mind up.
“Not Fun” pretty much sums it up for me regarding 40k lately. I’ve played Tau twice in a row now and I probably won’t willingly do that again. Tremendously one-sided matches. Why would a company produce a game like this? Why do we keep buying it?
That WD article that got mentioned again (by Jervis?) is GW basically saying “Why don’t you guys design, test, and produce our rules for us so we don’t have to pay anyone to do it but we still get to sell the books and such?” We pay a premium for their products and still have to try and MAKE them work properly… ridiculous!
When are you guys going to start a DZC group? I’m really interested in buying/playing some PHR. Still want to do that demo game, too.
nice interview 🙂 Always appreciate hearing ben speak on 40k.
The more and more I hear about 7th rules changes, the more and more it sounds like wishlisting and all the things currently wrong with the game gone. And this is GW we are talking about.
We’ll see what happens. One can hope!
Yeah, but its like being served macroni for years on end, wishing for cordon bleu, then you hear you are getting served cordon bleu when you know the resturant doesnt serve cordon bleu.
I think im hungry
Anyone interested in getting into some Heavy Gear? I’ve been getting back into it lately.
Heavy gear is a great game! Come by if you want to play. Just let me know when you want a game and we can schedule.
In my opinion if TO’s want to change the game it must be a nation wide effort were all major TOs come together to make decisions for the tournament season. Nothing is more frustrating for a player to prepare for tournaments only to have to change lists/armies from each major tournaments due to each TO having a different version of the game.
So many others games have adopted a unified tournament scene and with a enough work and cooperation I am sure we can see the same with 40k. Just think how nice it will be for the community if all events had similar rules, FAQs, Allowable Units, etc.
We all agree on that point for sure. The problem is that each TO thinks their format is the best, and have been unwilling to compromise on structure.
It seems like Mike B is eager to help correct the situation with the current state of the game from reading his blog. Having two giants (Frontline & Nova) working to together could be the place to start since both parties are motivated in correcting the issue. I really think it will be a snowball effect, once the ball gets rolling, more and more events will jump on board. getting a neutral part evolved might also be a good idea, maybe using Torrent of Fire.
I used to be in the competitive video game scene. All a tournament had to do is label there event “MLG Event” and I knew what to expect. I think a similar system needs to be adopted by 40k. Major and local tournaments could just label there events as “ML40k” ,for example, and the tournament attendees will know exactly what to expect.
Right now tournament attendees have to read pages of information to figure out what the TO is allowing and disallowing. Just frustrates players and creates a bearer to entry for new. IMO it is doing more damage than good if each TO does there own rules change.
I am all for adopting a standard FAQ — its why we are using the IGTC FAQ that Reece and other TOs worked on. I may not agree with many of the rulings but consistency amongst events for something like this is good.
As far as overall formats, while I am sure there are certain subset of players that would rather there be one format to attend I am not sure you will get many TOs to conform to one standard all encompasing format though unless forced to do so by outside forces. I leave it to others locally to run Feast of Blades or similar for that very reason — not because I think their format sucks but because I have no interest in running something I have no vested interest, time, input or skin in coming up with.
Also conforming to one standard format can lead to stagnation. I feel like the game in late 3ed early 4ed was pretty stagnate due to everyone using the (flawed) RTT format GW put out. When independents started coming up with ideas — like say Adepticon’s classic Primary/Secondary/Tertiary format — that is when the tournament scene really flourished. Then fast forward and you have other events like NoVa and Frontline innovating and coming up with good ideas. If we locked things down to one format, no creativity things like that wouldn’t happen as easily.
Finally as a player what if the format (or formats) weren’t your cup of tea? Like, they didn’t allow Forgeworld or whatever ‘thing’ you really enjoy? The variety of events right now gives you a bit more freedom of choice. Don’t like Forgeworld? There’s major events that don’t allow them. If you do, then there’s events that do allow them.