Show Notes
4-5-14
Intro
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News
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- Gaming Mat update.
- LVO and BAO update.
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- New Chaos Imperial Armor book announced. They’re including army lists, updated rules and new warmachines of Chaos, sweet! IA13
- Forge World releases some alternative rules for D weapons that sound more reasonable.
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- Only a month away until Valhalla! Really pumped, had a chance to see Sean and the Blue Table Painting crew at Adepticon.
- Adepticon rehash.
- The Meta at the event.
- Changes for our events with Formations and 2 detachments.
- Where the community is at.
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Rant Session
Tactics Corner
Rules Lawyer
List Review
You asked me to send this to the email 😀
Got a list for you to review on the podcast. Dark Eldar / Eldar – 1750 pts.
– Vect
– Heamy with crucible – liquifier
– Jetseer
– 5 x 5 Kabalites with Venoms with Dual Cannon (one venom has a Grisly Trophy)
– 3 Wracks – Raider Tormentor Grenade Launcher
– 2 ravagers, tripple lance
– Â 2 scatter laser warwalkers
– 20 Guardians, 2 Brightlances
It plays a lot like frankies list. But its 100pts less (no night
shields) and no wraithknight (as I dont own one… yet) The scatter
warwalkers are more than enough I find.
This list is designed for a competitive league that we are having at
our gameclub. A lot of deathstars that realy on blessings… the
raider with the heamy with the crucible is a little ace in the hole, –
1 leadership within 6″ and then pop the crucible… if it works, it
will WORK if it fails… its only a 150pt gimmick… but can be super
nasty against Ld7 tzeench heralds, Ld 8 warlocks especially since
there are usually a lot of them, or LD 9 deamon princes (well the
tormentor grenade launchers -1 leadership could add to this).
We are playing BAO missions, and this army has proven its worth and I
think its got what it takes to pull it off.
Cheers !
I know what you mean, I keep Agonizing about whether to continue trying Ovesa Star. I want a chance to win. I don’t want to be “That Guy” but I feel it might be the only way for me to win
I definitely feel that. I want a change of pace to my current nids, and have a lot of Eldar and Tau I want to try, but feel like a bandwagon jumper if I switch.
Play what you want to play, buddy. We’re just trying to think of ways to incentivize players to bring more variety in their lists.
How about a Comped Steak Dinner if you dont bring A death star?
Also, I need to go get 3 broadsides
Are you paying for the steaks haha
Guys looks like RagingHeroes can be ordered now… you guys setting up for orders.. want Asharah SF and Skaarlys SF…
Then we will definitely be getting our order in!
…. Ah fuck it, who wants to play Edward 40 hands!!
http://drink101.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/edward_40_hands.jpg
I used to play that game back in college!
Let’s get this on
Thanks for the comments on the lists. Loved this episode! Im glad you will open your arms to the dataslates!
I dont have a wraithknight… yet. But I know it would be awesome.
hey skari thought I recognized that list!
Most definitely! And yeah, the Wraithknight is a champion.
I think that the FW D-weapon alternative doesn’t really do the job very well. I’d go with:
S10
AP1
D3+1 wounds
Ignores invulnerable saves
This means that every unit can get a save vs D-weapons by going to ground (duck and cover). This turns D-weapons from the ultimate solution into a unique and desirable niche weapon. There are probably “cover-stars” that will be all but invulnerable to this alternative but there are a large number of ignores-cover weapons which can address this. Additionally, if there are units with good cover saves and good inv saves then there are always melee D-weapons – which will ignore both.
You made the comment in the cast, something like – “The player who went second wins.” I don’t suppose anyone has those statistics – who went 1st/2nd and who won in each game?
They ignore cover and force you to reroll successful Invul saves.
Yeah, I don’t think just forcing a re-roll is good enough to really scare the death-stars and since there’s already plenty of ignores cover I thought my suggestion would be more interesting than the one FW have apparently put forward.
Plus I dropped Instant Death to stop it being quite so horrible to MCs.
Oh, sorry, I miss read your post.
With the discussion about game balance have you guys thought about Comp? i live in sweden and Comp is always used.
Link to the document http://bit.ly/1jTX3eE
Swedish comp is actually used in places here in NorCal. Folks seem to like it.
It’s not terrible. Still not exactly perfect (Eldar and other top books still win), but we’ve definitely avoided problems with having tons of annoying lists ruining half the games.
Comp is kind of the last route we want to go. It’s really unbalanced most of the time and really limits what people can use. I mean we all want to play with the toys we have especially the good ones
I find that people tend to comp against things that they lose to, even if it’s not necessarily over powered, if someone perceives that it is, then they’ll want to comp against it.
That’s been my experience as well.
Genuine had myself a little laugh at you guys (harmlessly) bullying those poor LARP’ers. As always, great podcast chaps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KnlN4OAjmQ
We actually think SCA is really cool, we just like to tease the guys at the shop about it in good fun.
Wow! One of the best episodes ever. Could not keep a straight face in lab today.
Glad you liked it!
If you are looking at adding more diversity one option might be a sort of tournament within a tournament. Where people can bring a super tuned list and compete but also have the option of bringing a Highlander list for example. You would keep track of win loss the same within the tourney but at the end you have best general and what have you but you would also have the Highlander winner…and looser with a separate prize maybe. Kind of like what you guys did at LVO with best general for a given army. I know a lot of people were really into trying for “best of x” knowing they weren’t prolly going to be in the top 8. It doesn’t have to be a Highlander comp either it could really be whatever the TO decides to do you could mix it up. I think Highlander though is more workable and lends to more interesting prize support. Like a copy of the Highlander movie or something else fun. It would mean a little extra work for the TO. But it would introduce more variety.
I really like the Highlander Format, it looks like a lot of fun. That’s not a bad idea, we’ll have to look into that for sure.
I like the sound of that format.
i’m glad you are allowing the skyblight. i played it at a local tourney, and went average. its not that OP and frankly nids need it.
will you be allowing codex knights as primary? i can bring 5 knights??
Usually their events are 1750, so you can’t fit 5 knights in that. 😛
You can’t fit 5 at 1750pts, but yes, you can bring them primary!
I would like to see kill points migrate to a VP for point value rather than unit destroyed. Also maybe some units are worth more kill points. Not sure, how that might look but theory wise…
VPs are inherently more fair but can be confusing to add up at the end of a long game.
true that. I just played a game with my E/DE against GK that was kill points. My opp looked up at me and said, “Dude you gota table me.” So I did, but it was a bitter first 3 rounds for me.
Yeah, I feel you man. KP are inherently unfair. Why do a unit of Grots give up as many KP as a Jetseerstar? It’s stupid. But, it’s simple.
There’s pros and cons to each system. I think so long as you don’t have KP as the ONLY victory condition it is no big deal. Having them as one part of a mission works fine IMO.
There are easy fixes though. If you have less KPs than your opponent, they nominate units in your list and add +1 to their KPs until both sides have equal. No unit can be two more than any other (ie all must be 2, before one can be 3).
That way if you have a super-elite army, your army’s weakest/most available units will generally be worth more points.
Oh god daemon bomb!
Mark of slaanesh, sirens call spell on a bike. And allocated vessel for the greater daemon of slaanesh. As a focal point for 60 deep striking daemonettes who could assault on the turn they summoned. It was the deathstar of the day, although easier to counter.
“They take the power lists because then they don’t have to think”.
Exactly.
Stop giving GW Ideas for the chaos knight!
Fortitude of chaos! Challenge transponder!
Hilarious!