Episode #34
Gimmick Lists Part #1
3-9-17
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Main Topic – Gimmick Lists Part 1
| Allegiance: Order (Battleshock)
2000pts Leaders Drycha Hamadreth (280) Celestant-Prime (360) |
Battleline
10 x Saurus Warriors (100) +1 to battleshock test 10 x Saurus Warriors (100) 10 x Saurus Warriors (100) Units 5 x Spite-Revenants (100) -1 bravery not stacking 5 x Spite-Revenants (100) 5 x Spite-Revenants (100) 5 x Spite-Revenants (100) 5 x Paladin Decimators (200) +2 to battleshock test 5 x Saurus Knights (120) |
| Behemoths
Troglodon (200) Dreadwood Wargrove (100) Outcasts (40) |
| Allegiance: Order
Total: 2000/2000 Leaders Dragonlord (400) – General – Trait: Reckless – Artefact: Quicksilver Potion Dragonlord (400) – Artefact: Quicksilver Potion Dragonlord (400) – Artefact: Quicksilver Potion |
Battleline
5 x Dragon Blades (160) – Order Draconis Battleline 5 x Dragon Blades (160) – Order Draconis Battleline 5 x Dragon Blades (160) – Order Draconis Battleline 5 x Dragon Blades (160) – Order Draconis Battleline Battalions Dragonlord Host (80) Dragonlord Host (80) |
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It’s really interesting to listen to a US based podcast and then something like facehammer to see how the powerlevel is perceived differently. US is like ‘how do I deal with Nagash and this free people army can’t be used in friendly games’ and the UK doesn’t even acknowledge those things as being part of the game anymore.
Yeah, you guys are probably a bit further down the road than we are in terms of experience and you probably play differently in regards to terrain and such. Metas are largely local until a high level competitive meta can develop. But for more people, the meta remains local.
What lists are performing well, there?
Tomb Kings were doing extremely well but new points fixes some of their silly stuff, but they’re still good. Clan Skryre Sayl is still good but isn’t as point and click as some people think. Tzeentch tzaangor lists are up and coming but haven’t quite broken through to the big time yet. Nighthaunt are quite popular. Stormcast do well but no one set up as of yet thanks to the new battletome. Destruction still does well, particular Moonclan and mixed focusing on beastclaw. Sylvaneth tend to do well, as does Khorne.
I think the SCGT will really solidify things as at the moment it’s all up in the air a bit thanks to some well deserved points changes (TK Necropolis Knights and Setra were stupid cheap) and Stormcast book shaking Order up. But hopefully new stuff will be out then to mess things up 😛
I’m interested to see if these lists are really so much more powerful than what we’re playing. As we say on the cast, we’re still learning, but I honestly do not feel that we are THAT far behind that our lists wouldn’t stand a chance. I could be wrong of course, but that seems like a bit of hyperbole.
But I agree, looking forward to seeing how things shake down.
I thinking it’s just different types of scenes to be honest. From what I’ve seen in the US generally small elite armies with a lot of mortal wound output tend to be the thing. That never really took off here I think because larger armies have been popular for a while and pure elite armies don’t tend to do well against them (probably why the Freeguild army seems so overwhelming). So neither’s more advanced, just different.
If I had to guess it’s because AoS was fairly popular here to start with and compendium and early stuff was skewed to larger armies. While it was the generals handbook that kicked it off for you guys around the Sylvaneth/beastclaw releases which were more focused on small elite armies.
That’s a reasonable explanation. And yeah, good analysis on the way AoS took off, here. Folks jumped on with the General’s Handbook and the armies that were new at the time really gained steam such as Sylvaneth and you see tons of them on tables.
Regarding whether you get both 6+ saves with the banner:
Q: Two rules allow my model to ignore wounds or mortal
wounds when it suffers them. Do I roll twice to avoid them as
two rules allow it, or only once as both rules trigger the same
action at the same time?
A: Roll twice, once for each ability.
From the AoS main FAQ
Thanks for the clarification, buddy!
I’ve got a gimmick list that might tickle your fancy:
Khorne Bloodbound
Bloodsecrator
-general
-cunning deceiver
-beguiling gem
Bloodsecrator
Bloodsecrator
Bloodsecrator
Bloodsecrator
Bloodsecrator
40x Bloodreavers
40x Bloodreavers
40x Bloodreavers
30x Bloodreavers
30x Bloodreavers
30x Bloodreavers
You can shoot off half of it before it gets to you, but with ignoring battleshock, and all those bonus attacks, and alternate stepping the bloodsecrators forward, i am going to get something into your ranks.
A very similar list is on our review for next show!
That’s a lot of dudes to paint. Why cunning decever and not Lord of War? It would seem that a more effective attack is your better choice. However I write awful lists.
needs more flute!
lol
I haven’t done any gimmicky lists yet in AOS but in 40k that’s basically any of my competitive ork lists.
Yeah, I feel that in AoS you don’t really need the Gimmick if you play well, and that those lists typically have a big Achilles’ heal.