Show Notes
8-5-14
Intro
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News
- Australian F.A.T. Mat distribution is going well. The Outrider Program is also going well and we look forward to giving out those free mats to those who helped us open accounts with retailers! The program is still in effect, so feel free to reach out to your FLGS and let them know they can get a free mat with us.
- Thanks to Torrent of Fire for helping us with the BAO! Also, big thanks to John Feuerhelm for helping us to find the venue!
- You can still get your F.A.T. Mat through the NOVA Open website, and save yourself on shipping! We will bring it with us to the NOVA Open and you can pick it up there.
- We are now taking pre-orders for DzC Resistance Forces!
- We are also able to take pre-order now for the new X-Wing Rebel Aces.
- Clockwork Goblin releases a cool looking mechanical WWII walker and some magnetized asteroid terrain.
- Privateer Press releases a new sculpt of Goreshade the Bastard.
- Bolt Action releases a range of WWI era Tanks
 
Rumors: The Rumor Section is gathered from the web and is not in any way information we receive from  any manufacturer nor is it necessarily accurate. This section of the podcast is intended for entertainment purposes only.
- Â Grey Knights might be next? They are in the next Sanctus Reach novel, so they may be coming up soon.
- Rumors of a Promethium Pipeline terrain set coming out from GW.
Rant Session Tactics Corner
- Beating Space Marine Bikers
- Beating Knights
Rules Lawyer
- Do the Iron Hands Chapter Tactics work on non-Space Marines vehicles purchased as one of their detachments?
- How do blast and template weapons work with multi-level ruins?
List Review
I am reviving my Dark Eldar in anticipation of a new codex and as I want a change from my Dark Angels. Was hoping you could give me your thoughts on this hyper Alpha Strike List:
2000 Pts Dark Eldar-
Troop 1 3 Wyches with Pistol/CC Weapon, 1 Wych with Hydra Gauntlets or Razorflails(still undecided here.) 1 Hekatrix w/Splinter Pistol and Agoniser Haywire Grenades Venom w/Splinter Cannons
Troop 2 3 Wyches with Pistol/CC Weapon, 1 Wych with Hydra Gauntlets or Razorflails(still undecided here.) 1 Hekatrix w/Splinter Pistol and Agoniser Haywire Grenades Venom w/Splinter Cannons
Troop 3 3 Wyches with Pistol/CC Weapon, 1 Wych with Hydra Gauntlets or Razorflails(still undecided here.) 1 Hekatrix w/Splinter Pistol and Agoniser Haywire Grenades Venom w/Splinter Cannons
Troop 4 3 Wyches with Pistol/CC Weapon, 1 Wych with Hydra Gauntlets or Razorflails(still undecided here.) 1 Hekatrix w/Splinter Pistol and Agoniser Haywire Grenades Venom w/Splinter Cannons
Troop 5 3 Wyches with Pistol/CC Weapon, 1 Wych with Hydra Gauntlets or Razorflails(still undecided here.) 1 Hekatrix w/Splinter Pistol and Agoniser Haywire Grenades Venom w/Splinter Cannons
Troop 6 3 Wyches with Pistol/CC Weapon, 1 Wych with Hydra Gauntlets or Razorflails(still undecided here.) 1 Hekatrix w/Splinter Pistol and Agoniser Haywire Grenades Venom w/Splinter Cannons
ELITES:
Elite 1 1 Hekatrix Bloodbride w/Splinter Pistol and CC Weapon, 1 Hekatrix Bloodbride w/HydraGauntlets or RazorFlails 1 Syren w/ Splinter Pistol and Agoniser Haywire Grenades Venom w/Splinter Cannons
HQ:
Duke Sliscus
Asdrubael Vect
Heavy Support:
Heavy 1 VoidRaven Bomber 2x Nerotoxin Missile, Flicker Field
Heavy 2 VoidRaven Bomber 2x Nerotoxin Missile, Flicker Field
Heavy 3 Ravager Flickerfield
TOTAL = 1995
The HQs always hop in the Bloodbride Transport at game start. Basic overall plan involves ramming vehicles and Wyches down my opponents throat. Double Splinter Cannons on all 7 venoms helps soften any unit/creatures with Toughness values as I charge in. THe FLyers and Ravager Focus down any main Armor my opponent has. I still am working on putting this together so I am open to any suggestions though I want to keep the feel similar but still be competetive.  Thanks again for the great shows and look forward to hearing from you.
Only 20 A7Vs were made. They weren ‘t good at crossing difficult terrain (compare how the mk IV would exit a ditch) and were top heavy. Plus they were ready only in ’18.
Ah, good to know, thanks!
Knights are AV12 on the side; Thunderfire Cannons can hurt them, as can Shadow Weavers.
Stomp makes tarpitting a Knight really, really hard to do for very long. It can be viable to hold them for a turn or so, but often it won’t keep them for very long. Melee also tends to be a pretty suicidal way to deal with them, as the explosion will often take out most things in their vicinity when they die.
They are indeed side AV12, thanks. And I have actually never had an issue with super heavies blowing me up after killing them in HtH, personally. I have seen it do catastrophic things, but in general terms, I hasn’t been that bad.
Stomps can be rough, true, but with an average of 2 and 1/6 of those doing nothing, if you space your models well around it’s base, you can mitigate it. Model positioning is key, string your models out, multi-assault, etc. to try and minimize clumping. But yes, the stomps can be rough.
It’s not nearly as bad now that Str D doesn’t just cut through all defenses automatically, definitely. I’ve had Knight explosions do some ridiculous things, though (like at the Guardian Cup when my Knight suicided with another Knight, and then the explosion scattered off and killed a third Knight…) and especially when you are sending high-value melee units at them it can be very dicey. A Guardsmen blob with meltabombs stands a very good chance of killing one, for example, but will generally lose most of its numbers in the process.
Model spacing can mitigate Stomp somewhat, but you’re still looking at losing 12+ guys with carapace armor to it each turn, which adds up fast. As I said, not that you _can’t_ tarpit them at all, but it’s usually for a pretty short duration (though that can be enough.)
It is quite the gaily blog
lol, what?
I’ve spied an image of Logan and chariot via Faet212. He’s riding a short viking-style longboat (possibly the size of a land speeder?) with a wolf out front. The Logan model looks amazing and overall, the only gripe I have is that the pulling wolf looks kinda small but that could be just the picture.
So far, I am not a big fan of that space sled, but, hey, we shall see how it turns out!
Reece don’t you remember in the game you and I played, my thunder fire cannon took out my knight lol
Yes! lol, totally do!
From my experience at the BAO, what worked best at killing my Scorpion (and would probably be fine at killing a Knight) were units with good invulnerable saves. Getting a 6 to squash some TH/SS terminators is great, but unfortunately, rolling a 6 isn’t exactly reliable, even on D3 attempts. By the time they do finally get out of combat with units like Wraiths, TH/SS Terminators, etc., they’re probably only down to 1-2 HP and can be easily finished off.
Good point. TH/SS Termies can deliver that deathblow to a Knight if the Knight craps out on 6’s.
Provided the knight doesn’t get lucky and wipe them out, after the first round the knight will be I1 from being whacked with concussive weapons.
I’m not sure if concussive works on vehicles, it does just say, if you take a wound
Question( no codex on hand) but doesn’t the duke have to start the game with a unit of warriors or truborn?
Yeah, good point, I believe he does.
In the current FAQ the Q/A was removed, but in 5th and in 6th if no Warriors or Trueborn were present he deployed like any normal IC. Since it was a Q/A and not an errata or amendment, I would still allow it. Granted I have no TO experience.
Thanks for the clarification, Logan, that makes sense.
I love the ork fat mat commercial at the end, u gotta get that dubbed over the video commercial in the middle of the batreps.
Yeah, no kidding, we definitely do!
enjoyed the cast as always! My stream thinks you are badger from breaking bad reece.. someone also asked if you are really old. That said I think I directed some traffic your way 🙂
Lol, don’t know if I should laugh or cry! But yeah, I get the badger thing all the time, it’s all good. And thanks for the traffic!
I think running that many wyches in venoms is a sure way of being tabled turn 3 or 4. Venoms honestly are a little sub par to raiders when it comes to close range engagements thanks to the 1 less HP and half the transport capacity. It’s my experience that they tend to do better with a squad of true born in them with a couple splinter cannons towards the DE player back field and can act as an emergency anti tank unit with their haywires incase of back field drop pods and other nonsense. I do run a squad or 2 of haywire wyches sometimes but generally they tend to die pretty quick as most opponents know they are an easy couple KP’s if they haven’t already done their job. If you want to run a heavy CC list in 7th I would go with a wrack list as they all have 2 attacks (they have 2 CC weapons), poisoned 4+ weapons, T4, and FNP off the bat and cost the same amount of points, whaaaat? Lol it is good stuff.
Hey guys, did I hear you say that I could download the posters you use on terrain to print off and make my own terrain with? 🙂