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Show Notes
Date: 5-30-18
Intro
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News
- This week’s pre-order are the Shadespire Warbands reboxed for Age of Sigmar with Warscrolls. You can grab yours in the web-cart at a discount with FREE shipping within the continental USA.
- Big news these past two weeks! Not only did we get the Harlequin Codex which has been very positively received, we’ve also got the Knight Codex on the way which is generating a ton of excitement and of course the HUGE news, Age of Sigmar 2nd ed is on the way and there’s a ton of hints and sneak peaks GW is letting us see. But before all of that, let’s talk about the London GT which we were all at!
- Recapping the event and both Reece and Frankie’s experiences.
- A boatload of new Knight information and pictures of the awesome new models, too!
- We’ve also got a ton of information coming out about the new edition of Age of Sigmar!
- New Turn priority:
- Summoning: now is free in terms of points but requires certain actions to be completed.
- Command Points:
- Endless Spells:
- New Shooting Rules:
- Changes to Magic: 30″ unbinding ranges.
- Look Out, Sir!
- 84 new magic items!
- Stay tuned to FLG on this coming Friday the 1st of June for an exciting new release we’ve been waiting to share with you all!
- And of course, huge news for us: LVO 2019 registration opens on June 4th, this coming Monday at 10:00am PST. Mark your calendars as many of the popular events sell out right away and you don’t want to miss out. If you want to book your hotel, you can do so now by clicking through this link. See you all in Vegas!
Upcoming ITC Events
Upcoming 40k ITC Events
- MAJOR: Bugeater GT, Omaha, NE, June 1-3rd, 2018
- WarZone: CC RTT, Good Games Gosford, New South Wales, Australia, June 2nd, 2018
- Warhammer 40k ITC Tournament, The Portal, Manchester, CT, June 2nd , 2018
- Athoria June Rtt, Athoria Games, Mesa, AZ, June 2nd, 2018
- Warhammer 40k ITC Tournament, The Portal, Manchester, CT, June 2nd, 2018
- WH40k: ITC Tournament, Power 9 Games, North Las Vegas, NV, June 2nd, 2018
- Otto’s June 2000pt ITC, Otto’s Video Games And More, Bakersfield, CA, June 2nd, 2018
- Warhammer 40k Tournament, Gamers N Geeks, Mobile AL, June 2nd, 2018
- Grimdark Games RTT, San Antonio TX, June 2nd, 2018
- Warhammer 40K Narrative Games Day, London, London, June 2nd, 2018
- 1,500pt Warhammer 40k Tournament, Cobblestone Hobbies, Holland, MI, June 2nd, 2018
- Heroes Of Legend IV, 9k Gaming, Aalborg, Denmark, June 2nd, 2018
- Endagars med RTT, Stockholm, Sweden, June 2nd, 2018
- Lords of Sydney 40K Series 2018 Heat 2, The Hall of Heroes – Campbelltown, Campbelltown, Australia, June 2nd, 2018
- MAJOR: TBMC ITC GT, Sudbury, Ontario, June 2-3rd, 2018
- Warhammer 40k 8th Edition Tournament June, Critical Hit Games Cafe, Liverpool, England, June 3rd, 2018
Upcoming AoS ITC Events
- 2018 Bugeater Age of Sigmar GT, Omaha, NE, June 2-3rd, 2018
- Beef & Wing Brawl – AOS, Buffalo Marriott Niagara, Buffalo, NY, June 9th, 2018
- GT: Age of the Arsenal Grand Tournament, The Gamers Arsenal, Murrieta, CA, June 16th, 2018
- GT: Flying Monkey GT – AOS, The Drury Plaza Hotel Broadview, Wichita, KS,, June 23rd, 2018
- Hammerhal Hangover, Game Kastle Fremont, Fremont CA, June 30th, 2018
- Blooded Sands 8 Man 2k Sigmar Tournament, Imperial Outpost Games, Glendale, AZ, June 30th, 2018
40k ITC Top 10
| Rank | First Name | Last Name | Points | Events |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Matt | Root | 691.07 | 5 of 5 |
| 2 | Joshua | Death | 624.76 | 5 of 5 |
| 3 | tj | lanigan | 560.54 | 5 of 5 |
| 4 | Mitch | Pelham | 554.63 | 5 of 5 |
| 5 | Bruce | Merker | 547.64 | 5 of 5 |
| 6 | Ryan | Olson | 529.98 | 5 of 5 |
| 7 | Don | Hooson | 520.03 | 5 of 5 |
| 8 | Andrew | Ford | 514.11 | 5 of 5 |
| 9 | Jessica | Bowman | 507.37 | 5 of 5 |
| 10 | anthony | bellm | 504.03 | 5 of 5 |
40k ITC Hobby Track Top 10
| 1 | Shawn | Prosser | 251.99 | 3 of 5 |
| 2 | Kristopher | Boss | 231.59 | 3 of 5 |
| 3 | James | Kelling | 217.72 | 2 of 5 |
| 4 | Erek | Nelson | 190.9 | 2 of 5 |
| 5 | Antonio | Cedeno | 181.57 | 3 of 5 |
| 6 | anthony | bellm | 173.36 | 3 of 5 |
| 7 | Nick | barden | 170.92 | 3 of 5 |
| 8 | Connor | Whitehead | 167.13 | 3 of 5 |
| 9 | Jeffrey | Merrick | 156.15 | 2 of 5 |
| 10 | Matthew | Allee | 154.59 | 2 of 5 |
AoS ITC Top 10
| Rank | First Name | Last Name | Points | Events |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | James | Thomas | 439.42 | 4 of 5 |
| 2 | Mathew | Jones | 396.97 | 4 of 5 |
| 3 | Joshua | Harvey | 389.99 | 4 of 5 |
| 4 | Jarrett | Zazuetta | 373.62 | 4 of 5 |
| 5 | Joe | Krier | 318.86 | 3 of 5 |
| 6 | Alexander | Gonzalez | 286.59 | 3 of 5 |
| 7 | Michael | Burch | 281.43 | 3 of 5 |
| 8 | Robert | Bishop | 267.58 | 3 of 5 |
| 9 | Vlad | Nica | 266.5 | 3 of 5 |
| 10 | Shane | Brakhage | 266.44 | 3 of 5 |
AoS ITC Hobby Track Top 10
| Rank | First Name | Last Name | Points | Events |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Frank | DeLoach | 158.62 | 2 of 5 |
| 2 | Scott | Reed | 155.07 | 2 of 5 |
| 3 | Josh | Greenfield | 124.35 | 2 of 5 |
| 4 | Chris | Stifter | 110.56 | 1 of 5 |
| 5 | Tyler | Hamil | 105.55 | 2 of 5 |
| 6 | Daniel | Callaghan | 96.74 | 1 of 5 |
| 6 | Austin | Morgan | 96.74 | 1 of 5 |
| 8 | Pablo | Abarca | 89.36 | 1 of 5 |
| 9 | Zach | Lopez | 89 | 1 of 5 |
| 10 | Gabriel | Pacheco | 86.28 | 1 of 5 |
Shadespire ITC Hobby Track Top 10
| Rank | First Name | Last Name | Points | Events |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Mike | Corse | 333.98 | 3 of 5 |
| 2 | Josue | Ibarra | 297.42 | 3 of 5 |
| 3 | Christopher | Avalos | 228.06 | 3 of 5 |
| 4 | Matt | Everhart | 207.17 | 2 of 5 |
| 5 | Andrew | Everhart | 201.2 | 2 of 5 |
| 6 | David | Escobar | 183.54 | 2 of 5 |
| 7 | Jesse | Rodriguez | 179.29 | 3 of 5 |
| 8 | David | Cutts | 169.74 | 2 of 5 |
| 9 | Tony | Field | 167.59 | 2 of 5 |
| 10 | John | Sosnowski | 147.94 | 2 of 5 |
Tactics Corner
Completed Commissions
- Here are some pics of Frankie’s Tournament Standard Tryanids! These are a great value for an army that has a simple but good looking paint job and gets you on the table, ready to play without breaking the bank. FLG Paint Studio.
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Really liking the look of AoS2, lots of little changes and refinements. Look Out Sir and no shooting out of combat makes me very happy. Also I really love the way command points work, building up through the game.
I think it looks very positive, too! Looking forward to trying things out.
With the summoning by the way it is confirmed that it’s only factions that can summon now will be able to summon. It’s all faction abilities with the exception of Alariel and the Ghoul Kings (who can only ally with death factions that can summon anyway) so mixed armies and allying in summoning won’t work.
I’m interested to see how it works out. A lot of the summoning rules are quite easy to counter, like death have to have a hero near one of the 4 gravesite, use a command ability on a dead unit, be able to place it not near enemy units. There’s a lot of counter play. It could still be too much but fingers crossed they’ve found a way to make it work (and if not it’s not hard to bring back summoning points :P).
That was a fair summary of the London GT. But the accent was more Dick van Dyke than a cockney.
Errata (1) strumpet is a prostitute ; a crumpet is a flat bread you toast
(2) the Royal Wedding was in WINDSOR 40 miles east of Westminster
(3) one London Bridge was sold, so a more substantial one could be built. There are plenty of others that cross the Thames if you want to make an offer
(4) the LGT was held in the Olympic Stadium, the most secure sporting venue in Western Europe on Royal Wedding Day. It’s also next to a main railway station/ underground link …. security is always high there even when it’s empty
(5) the LGT used a strange mix of missions and scoring — that’s NOT the way GW do it for their tournaments and not representative of UK gaming
The Custodes/AM battalion looks like it will take some stopping!! I enjoyed watching Mike win.
LVO Room booked! Looking forward to registering on Monday.
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Worth saying that both this and chapter tactics seem to be slightly misrepresenting how scoring worked at the LGT – placings weren’t based on raw victory points, each round you got given a score out of 20 based on your VP difference with that opponent – if you drew you got ten points each, if you won by 20+ VP you got 20 and the other player got 0, with a sliding scale in between.
That definitely did mean someone who lost two games narrowly and won 3 by a huge margin could place better than someone who went 5-0 with all close games, but not, as seems to be the impression that’s been taken back to America, that someone who lost all five games with lots of VP could place better than someone with five low VP wins – the former player would have scored 45 tournament points maximum, and the latter 55 points minimum.
While it does mean that only *just* winning your first game could feel bad and like you were out of contention, again that’s not how it played out – if you won your first game by 1VP that would have made your maximum score over the event 91 if you smashed your other four games – which a quick look at the scoreboard suggests was the score of the person in 3rd place overall, hardly out of contention.
It’s also way more fun for people who lost their first round (as I did) – anyone with narrow losses can still feel like they’ve got a chance for a really good finish (I think the best 4-1 player came 6th), whereas at an event based on wins alone losing your first round hard cuts you out of even a top ten finish for an event that size, so leaves way more people feeling bad.
There was a differential score, yes.
Well, so much of the rest of your post depends on perspective. Saying you can lose a close game and still be in the hunt is a good point for someone in that position, as you were, which is correct. However, going 5-0 and ending up finishing middle of the pack certainly doesn’t feel good I can tell you, lol. Seeing people losing multiple games and finishing above you just seems weird. I am not saying it’s bad, it’s just really strange to be punished for having close games instead of losing some and blowing it out in others, neither of which screams positive game play experience to me (but again, just my opinion) and being rewarded for that. And you can finish top 12 at an event this large with 1 loss using W/L/D. And really, an event with nearly 400 people should be more than 5 rounds. If you had even 6 rounds of play, you could finish top 6 with 1 loss. If it played out to the 9 rounds needed to produce a true champion in Swiss style play, you could go all the way to the top table with a tie, possibly a loss and win the event. So again, I don’t see the benefit to Battle Points, personally.
At the LGT we had 9 undefeated players, doesn’t really feel like the event was “won” as who knows what would have hapenned had any of those players met each other. I totally get why, they only had the venue for 2 days so it is what it is but it does feel a bit unsatisfying from the point of view of actually determining the tournament’s champion. Again, not saying it is bad or anything like that just offering a different perspective.
From a tournament philosophy perspective, do you want to dangle the carrot that if you lose on early you may be able to come back in to it and finish slightly higher than you would in a W/L/D format but encourage people to utterly crush their opponent and punish you for having close games (which I think most people consider to be the most fun games) or to reward close games and to not encourage people to have to crush their opponent?
What we’ve seen with Battle Points is that typically one person runs away with it and sometimes (not at an event this big) the last game doesn’t even have to be played because someone has already won it on the scoreboard. One year at WargamesCon, the top table was hilarious. The guy that lost the game won the tournament, lol. He was defeated by a player that went undefeated but because he had so many points it didn’t matter, he still won the tournament. Who wants to see that? Such an anticlimactic finish. People want to see the best players at that event play one another until only one is left standing. That is exciting!
So like I said, a lot of it comes down to perspective. But you can totally go the distance in W/L/D format if there isn’t a totally full bracket (which there almost never is) with a tie or even a loss which I think is lost on a lot of people, while still having the best players play each other and allowing them to continue to climb the ladder by just barley winning close, exciting games.