Preview Video Bat Rep: Adeptus Custodes vs. Space Marines

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iNcontroL and Reecius duke it out again! Rapots vs. Custodes. Who do you think will win?

Unit Force Org Cost # Total Weapons Cost # Total Total Notes
Brigade Raptors       Command Points 9     PL
Lias Issodon HQ 195 1 195 0
Lieutenant w/ Jump Pack HQ 78 1 78 Master Crafted Bolter 3 1 3
0 Power Axe 5 1 5
Captain w/ Jump Pack HQ 93 1 93 T.Hammer 21 1 21
0 Storm Shield 15 1 15
Company Ancient Elites 63 1 63 Storm Bolter 2 1 2 Banner of the Emperor
Sternguard Elites 16 10 160 Special Issue Bolter 2 10 20
Vanguard Vets with J.Packs Elites 18 5 90 Power Axe 5 1 5
Scout Bikers Fast 23 3 69 Twin Bolters 2 3 6
0 Storm Bolter 2 1 2
Scout Bikers Fast 23 3 69 Twin Bolters 2 3 6
0 Storm Bolter 2 1 2
Scout Bikers Fast 23 3 69 Twin Bolters 2 3 6
0 Storm Bolter 2 1 2
Scouts Troops 11 5 55 0
Scouts Troops 11 5 55 0
Scouts Troops 11 5 55 0
Tactical Marines Troops 13 5 65 H.Bolter 10 1 10
0 Storm Bolter 2 1 2
Tactical Marines Troops 13 5 65 H.Bolter 10 1 10
0 Storm Bolter 2 1 2
Tactical Marines Troops 13 5 65 H.Bolter 10 1 10
0 Storm Bolter 2 1 2
Thunderfire Cannon Heavy 55 1 55 Plasma Cutter 7 1 7
Thunderfire Gunner 26 1 26 Servo Arm 12 2 24
0 Flamer 9 1 9
Devastator Squad Heavy 13 7 91 Las Cannon 25 3 75
0 Missile Launcher 25 1 25
0 Storm Bolter 2 1 2
0 Cherub 5 1 5
Devastator Squad Heavy 13 7 91 M.Melta 27 4 108
0 C.Plasma 15 1 15
0 Cherub 5 1 5
Auxiliary Detachment Imperium Command Points -1
Culexus Assassin Elites 85 1 85
Totals     74 1594       406 2000  
Command Points: 11       Detachments: 2
Geoff’s army:
  • Custodian guard
  • 3x 156
  • 3x 156
  • 3x 156
  • Veratus Praetors
5x 450
  • 1×3 Shield-Captain 480
1398
  • Company commander 30
  • Company commander 30
  • Infantry squad 45
  • Infantry squad 45
  • Infantry squad 45
  • Heavy mortar team 33
228
  • Primaris Psycher 40
  • Culexus 85
  • Callidus 80
  • Eversor 70
  • Culexus 85
365
2000 pts
  • 10 command points

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26 thoughts on “Preview Video Bat Rep: Adeptus Custodes vs. Space Marines”

  3. CWDub

    Not bashing iNcontroL’s list at all (gotta make them Custodes work and it looks interesting), but I get bad fluff feels about the Astra Militarum relic/WL trait working for other armies (Custodes, Space Marines, Ad Mech, etc.) The Cadian company commander with the Aquila and Grand Strategist is just too easy to sneak into an Imperium list.

    For 180 points, you can get:

    3 CPs (from the battallion)
    A very easy to hide War Lord (character, tiny model)
    Kurov’s Aquila(get a CP on a 5+ when your opponent uses a strat)/Grand Strategist (roll a d6 for each CP used on a strat, get it refunded on a 5+)

    It’s basically an auto take for imperium lists and while elite armies aren’t exactly winning GTs, it just seems “too good” and an “auto take.”

    1. CWDub

      And I hate to reply to myself, but forgot to finish the point I was trying to make so I’m going on tangent mode now. One (of several) factors in games not finishing competitively that some of the groupthink in the LVO live stream chat agreed on was strategums/CPs. Index Hammer was very, very fast and the primary difference between “real 8th ed” and Index Hammer is strategums. I love strategums (literally my favorite part about 8th ed), but when a list with 15 CPs can end up closer to 23+ CPs via regeneration, it definitely has a factor on the game’s time. Not sure how you guys at FLG feel about this, but I would hope to see GW look at only 1 CP rengerating mechanic allowed per turn (you can only use the aquila OR the WL trait and declare at at the top of the battle round, etc.) and possibly a reduction of CPs from detachments (looking at you, brigades and battallions.)
      I don’t have an issue with the mechanic of CP regeneration, but letting it stack just becomes a bit much.

      1. Rob Butcher

        I think this depends on the army. Pure Astra Militarium need those extra CPs to be competitive. Other armies don’t really need it as much.

        I do though think the CPs gained should only be spent on the Warlords Detachment; so if a Cadian gets them refunded then they are for the use of the Cadian detachment … not the Custodes who quite honestly don’t need loads of extra ones.

          1. CWDub

            Agreed. As do some other non-horde armies (pure BA, Ad Mech, etc)

            Just an idea, but I’d like to see 6 CPs for Battle Forged, 2 for a battallion, and 4 for a brigade with only 1 CP regenerating mechanic working per battle round (ie. use the aquila on your opponent’s first turn then wait to use Grand Strategist on your resulting turns)

          2. PrimoFederalist

            I think they should just completely redo the detachments so each codex has a few specific to them. It’s super easy for some armies/factions to build up battalions and brigades, much more difficult for others. Have a battalion-style detachment and a brigade-style detachment, etc for Necrons which doesn’t have identical requirements to the Imperial Guard small, medium, and large detachments.

  5. Zool

    The company ancient with the relic banner is such a cheater for 63 points. The vague wording for the shooting and out of phase round with zero penalty makes him so un-fun to play against. Drop in some reroll everything in the galaxy SM bubble and the classic devastator bait.

    1. Reecius

      It is very powerful yes, but also one of the primary reasons Space Marines can remain competitive. I felt it was a bit OP at first too but as the edition rolls on, they seriously need it and their re-roll auras to hang in there. With them, they can compete, without them they’d start to fall a step behind, IMO. Many already feel they do but with that list I’ve yet to play an army I felt I couldn’t deal with and largely that is due to the support characters.

  7. jifel

    Just a heads up, Geoff rolled to get CPs back for the Grand strategist when he broke open the vaults, but he has to be on the table to roll them so can’t do it for the relic stratagem as its before deployment. Not a big deal but good to be aware of. (Also possible someone else has mentioned this, I haven’t finished the BatRep yet)

    2. Embrace Your inner Geek

      But is that how it works? If Geoff deployed the Commander, and then opened the vaults he could roll for the CPs. The Stratagem is simply “before the battle” so can happen during deployment “before the battle”.

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