Frankie and I just recorded a video bat rep featuring the brand spanking new Daemons vs. Catachans. Click through to see the lists!
This video will air on our YouTube channel at 9am PST on Monday, January 8th.
The Daemon list features a wide variety of units to show off some of the new Daemon stratagems and fun tricks. Note, the points costs have been removed from the list as the Codex is not yet out.
| Unit | Force Org | Cost | # | Total | Weapons | Cost | # | Total | Total |
| Battalion Detachment | Khorne | Command Points | 3 | 0 | |||||
| Skarbrand | HQ | 1 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Bloodmaster | HQ | 1 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Bloodletters | Troop | 30 | 0 | Daemonic Icon, Instrument | 1 | 0 | |||
| Bloodletters | Troop | 10 | 0 | Instrument | 1 | 0 | |||
| Bloodletters | Troop | 10 | 0 | Instrument | 1 | 0 | |||
| Flesh Hounds | Fast Attack | 20 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| 0 | 0 | ||||||||
| Battalion Detachment | Nurgle | Command Points | 3 | 0 | |||||
| Poxbringer | HQ | 1 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Poxbringer | HQ | 1 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Nurglings | Troop | 3 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Nurglings | Troop | 3 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Nurglings | Troop | 3 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| 0 | 0 | ||||||||
| Battalion Detachment | Slaanesh | Command Points | 3 | 0 | |||||
| Herald of Slaanesh | HQ | 1 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Herald of Slaanesh | HQ | 1 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Daemonette | Troop | 20 | 0 | Instrument | 1 | 0 | |||
| Daemonette | Troop | 20 | 0 | Instrument | 1 | 0 | |||
| Daemonette | Troop | 20 | 0 | Instrument | 1 | 0 | |||
| 0 | 0 | ||||||||
| Totals | 145 | 0 | 0 | 0 | |||||
| Command Points: | 12 | Detachments: | 3 |
Here’s my Catachan list which a variation of I have been playing for a while now and have had very good results with it.
| Unit | Force Org | Cost | # | Total | Weapons | Cost | # | Total | Notes |
| Brigade Detachment | Catachan | CP | 9 | 1175 | |||||
| Company Commander | HQ | 30 | 1 | 30 | Power Fist | 8 | 1 | 8 | Aquila |
| Straken | HQ | 75 | 1 | 75 | 0 | ||||
| Company Commander | HQ | 30 | 1 | 30 | Power Fist | 8 | 1 | 8 | |
| Harker | Elites | 50 | 1 | 50 | Payback | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
| Astropath | Elites | 30 | 1 | 30 | Laspistol | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
| Astropath | Elites | 30 | 1 | 30 | Laspistol | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
| Bullgryn | Elites | 35 | 6 | 210 | Bullgryn Maul | 7 | 6 | 42 | |
| Ministorum Priest | Elites | 35 | 1 | 35 | Chainsword | 0 | 1 | 0 | |
| Infantry Squad | Troops | 4 | 10 | 40 | Plasma | 7 | 1 | 7 | |
| 0 | H.Bolter | 8 | 1 | 8 | |||||
| Infantry Squad | Troops | 4 | 10 | 40 | Plasma | 7 | 1 | 7 | |
| 0 | H.Bolter | 8 | 1 | 8 | |||||
| Infantry Squad | Troops | 4 | 10 | 40 | Plasma | 7 | 1 | 7 | |
| 0 | A.Cannon | 12 | 1 | 12 | |||||
| Infantry Squad | Troops | 4 | 10 | 40 | A.Cannon | 12 | 1 | 12 | |
| 0 | Plasma | 7 | 1 | 7 | |||||
| Infantry Squad | Troops | 4 | 10 | 40 | A.Cannon | 12 | 1 | 12 | |
| 0 | Plasma | 7 | 1 | 7 | |||||
| Conscripts | Troops | 4 | 30 | 120 | 0 | ||||
| Hellhound | Fast Attack | 73 | 1 | 73 | Inferno Cannon | 20 | 1 | 20 | |
| 0 | H.Flamer | 17 | 1 | 17 | |||||
| Hellhound | Fast Attack | 73 | 1 | 73 | Inferno Cannon | 20 | 1 | 20 | |
| 0 | H.Flamer | 17 | 1 | 17 | |||||
| Scout Sentinels | Fast Attack | 35 | 3 | 105 | H.Flamer | 17 | 3 | 51 | |
| Leman Russ Conquerer | Heavy Support | 122 | 1 | 122 | H.Bolter | 8 | 1 | 8 | |
| 0 | Conqueror Cannon | 25 | 1 | 25 | |||||
| Manticore | Heavy Support | 135 | 1 | 135 | H.Bolter | 8 | 1 | 8 | |
| Wyvern | Heavy Support | 95 | 1 | 95 | H.Bolter | 8 | 1 | 8 | |
| Basilisk | Heavy Support | 100 | 1 | 100 | H.Bolter | 8 | 1 | 8 | |
| Vulture | Flyer | 112 | 1 | 112 | Twin Punisher Cannon | 40 | 1 | 40 | |
| Totals | 112 | 1625 | 367 | 1992 | |||||
| Command Points: | 12 | Detachments: | 1 |
Who do you think will win?
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Quick question. After seeing/reading many of your battle reports you tend to have a lot of CP. Do you generally use all of them throughout the game? I often find myself using only using 6-7 CP.
Oh yeah. Stratagems are my favorite part of the game, I used the heck out of them. With AM I typically end up spending 18+ due to getting more back through out the game.
Which keyword are you battleforged at? Astra Militarum? I’m still tying to wrap my head around this codex and it doesn’t look like the list is battleforged at Catachan. But does that really mean anything on the table? Looks like you could still issue the Burn order to other Catachans regardless. Maybe I should just stick with my Ultramarines…
I’m sorry, what? I’m not following what you’re asking.
He’s trying to figure out what the shared keyword for the whole army is.
Which in this case would be Astra Militarum, as the Ogryn and Priest do not have the Catachan keyword (though due to the codex’s rules they do not “break” the Regiment bonuses.)
Armies gain or loses bonuses depending on the contents of individual detachments, not the keyword shared by the army as a whole- so if you have a Catachan battalion, a Militarum Tempestus battalion, and a Cadian spearhead, each of those three detachments will benefit from their own special rules. (They will also each benefit from the Astra Militarum special rules as a whole, since they each qualify for those as well.) The army as a whole is an Astra Militarum army, but this is not really relevant for game bonuses or most other purposes.
Ah, yes. It’s an Astra Militarum army but I prefer being a bit more specific than that. I assumed that the implication that it was Astra Militarum was clear but I suppose I could be more explicit.
Can’t speak for Reece, but I tend to run 10+ CP with my codex armies and use most or all of them in games. Codex armies have lots of powerful ways to spend command points that can really tilt a game when used judiciously.
Bloodcrushers got NO changes?
I can see why they’re not in the list, lol.
Yeah, missed opportunity there. Chapter Approved can remedy that, if we whine at GW hard enough. 🙂
Lol, again you guys, hang tight and play some games before making any judgment calls. Much yet to be seen.
Thanks for posting this! Out of curiosity, why the conqueror cannon over the battle cannon?
The Conqueror has a shorter range (48″) than the standard Battle Cannon, but you can reroll misses with it thanks to the Co-Axial Weapon rule. Pretty strong when you’re pumping out 2d6 shots per turn.
Yup. Helps a ton to overcome all the -1 to hit stuff out there.
Oh wow! I hope this means Skarbrand is finally good!!!
He’s pretty bad ass =)
I know you are not an official source but any idea if it’s still intended for these abilities to effect CSM daemon units? The developer’s commentary still says so but the new daemon book seems to have a lot of really good synergy with CSM daemon units. Like too good to be true. Oblits with 0+ saves getting +1 damage on wound rolls of 6, plus other stuff. Just want to know your thoughts.
I have to wait to answer any questions like this, unfortunately.
I think that’s far from “too good to be true” considering all the other stuff in the game, including units that are hyper efficient even without synergies. Plus, you already have cross-codex downsides (i.e., stuff that hurts all Chaos or all Daemons will affect both CSM and CD units). So why not have cross-codex benefits as well?
Do you know about some of the other synergies(rumored)? I would love it if we continued to have them but I can easily see it getting abused in a competitive setting.
?deepstrike ANY daemon
Want it but don’t feel like it will survive the first FAQ.
Why just the Twin Punisher Cannon on the Vulture?
Nice using LR Conqueror. Where on earth do you get the turrets though? I need a couple for mine. Nice AM list tho!