We’ve got a special guest tonight, Quinton and his T’au taking on Reecius and his Raptors Space Marines featuring the new Space Marine codex! Join us at 5pm PST to join the fun.
Reecius’ Raptors army features a mix of MSU and full strength units to take advantage of the various stratagems in the book!
| Unit | Force Org | Cost | # | Total | Weapons | Cost | # | Total | Total | Notes |
| Battalion | Raptors | Command Points | 3 | |||||||
| Lias Issodon | HQ | 195 | 1 | 195 | 0 | |||||
| Lieutenant | HQ | 60 | 1 | 60 | Master Crafted Bolter | 3 | 1 | 3 | ||
| Scouts | Troops | 11 | 5 | 55 | 0 | |||||
| Scouts | Troops | 11 | 5 | 55 | 0 | |||||
| Scouts | Troops | 11 | 5 | 55 | Combi Flamer | 11 | 1 | 11 | ||
| Drop Pod | Transport | 93 | 1 | 93 | Storm Bolter | 2 | 1 | 2 | ||
| Vanguard Veterans w/ J.Packs | Elites | 18 | 10 | 180 | Plasma Pistol | 7 | 10 | 70 | ||
| Power Axe | 5 | 1 | 5 | |||||||
| Battalion | Command Points | 3 | ||||||||
| Librarian | HQ | 93 | 1 | 93 | Force Axe | 16 | 1 | 16 | ||
| Captain with Jump Pack | HQ | 93 | 1 | 93 | Thunder Hammer | 21 | 1 | 21 | ||
| 0 | Plasma Pistol | 7 | 1 | 7 | ||||||
| Company Ancient | Elites | 63 | 1 | 63 | 0 | Banner of the Emperor | ||||
| Sternguard | Elites | 16 | 10 | 160 | Special Bolter | 2 | 10 | 20 | ||
| 0 | Power Axe | 5 | 1 | 5 | ||||||
| Tactical Squad | Troops | 13 | 5 | 65 | Combi Plasma | 15 | 1 | 15 | ||
| 0 | L.Cannon | 25 | 1 | 25 | ||||||
| Tactical Squad | Troops | 13 | 5 | 65 | Combi Plasma | 15 | 1 | 15 | ||
| 0 | L.Cannon | 25 | 1 | 25 | ||||||
| Tactical Squad | Troops | 13 | 5 | 65 | Combi Plasma | 15 | 1 | 15 | ||
| 0 | L.Cannon | 25 | 1 | 25 | ||||||
| Devastator Squad | Heavy | 13 | 6 | 78 | H.Bolter | 10 | 4 | 40 | ||
| 0 | Cherub | 5 | 1 | 5 | ||||||
| Devastator Squad | Heavy | 13 | 6 | 78 | H.Bolter | 10 | 4 | 40 | ||
| 0 | Cherub | 5 | 1 | 5 | ||||||
| Devastator Squad | Heavy | 13 | 7 | 91 | M.Melta | 27 | 3 | 81 | ||
| 0 | Cherub | 5 | 1 | 5 | ||||||
| Detachment 3 | Command Points | 0 | ||||||||
| Totals | 75 | 1544 | 456 | 2000 | ||||||
| Command Points: | 9 | Detachments: | 2 |
Vanguard Detachment
Command Points: 4
Commander
- 4 missile pods
- 2 shield drones
Commander
- 4 missile pods
- 2 shield drones
Fire Warriors (5) X3
- Markerlight
Crisis Suits X2
- 6 missile pods
- 2 ATS
- 3 marker drones, 3 shield drones
Ghostkeel X2
- fusion collider
- 2 flamers
Pathfinders
Y’varah
- stims
- targetlock
Now this is a Thursday night fight.
Can’t wait.
Glad you’re excited =)
Who wouldn’t be excited for Reasonable Marines?
Ooo, this is going to be SO fun. Reece and his crazy dice, cant be better then that.
Will treat this one as a fun and well needed vacation from watching all those embarrassing playtest fails that are the overpriced grots with waterpistols weighted down with crippling army weaknesses..I mean the grey knights.
Now has Reece given up on his chessex dice or not? 😛
My bad luck certainly ended, lol and it was a great game with a great opponent!
Issodon’s gun seems real mean.
It is indeed pretty dang good. Makes up for his relative lack of melee.
Looking forward to it.
Can you please do a bit of a spiel about issodon and tips & tricks w him.
Also deployment w him – is his ability treated like a transport or separate pick for each SftS squad?
Can you have each squad appear in a separate location, or all with issodon? If with then what is with? 6″ bubble?
Go raptors!
Reading ftw – 3 separate deployment picks, appearing independently 🙂
Yeah, it’s bad ass 🙂
I’ll have to watch tomorrow. Hope it’s a good fight, excited to see Issodon and Vanguard Vets. I really like gunslinging grav pistols on Vanguard Vets. Expensive but nasty. Interested to see how they do with single plasma pistols.
They’re a great unit combo’d with the Captain. In this game they went after not the best target, preventing them from overcharging but it made for a more enjoyable game.
I don’t understand how Quinton has only got 1 CP from that list. It looks like he has run 2 HQs and 3 troops so there is 3 minimum. I don’t see what is 2 auxilliary choices that lose him 2
Good point, I didn’t think to mention that to him. I will let him know as that is an easy 2 extra CP for him.
He took 4 elite slots so he couldn’t fit that in a battalion detachment.
However, I think he could have taken one battalion and an auxiliary for his 4th elite. That would have given him one more CP at least.
At least I’m assuming when he says “crisis suits x2” he means two squads. But I could be wrong. Haven’t had a chance to watch.
You can take 6 elites in the Battalion.
Oh, duh! I was thinking of the other special slots which are 0-3. He totally could have run that in a battalion, then.
Hey, Quinton, Reece!
First of all, interesting game, guys. Secondly, Reece, did you CHEAT on your teenage opponent by only paying 2 CPs for 2 extra relics? AND ignoring that Infiltrate for Scouts has been FAQ’d? Shame! 😉 I say moral victory goes to Quinton!
That said, Reece, I run a sorta/kinda similar list to yours except I am dropping Kantor with GravDevs and Terminators. But I am ALSO running 3 Tactical Squads with C-Plasma & Lascannon each in backfield roles and 2×5 Sniper Scouts in (or out of) LSS for midfield. Given the structural similarities of the list, I’d like to ask you about your opinion on fine-tuning of my list (might help you fine-tune yourself after all):
I have a few points to spare and wonder what you think about these modifications (I don’t have the points for all, so I need to prioritize):
A. Giving the Scouts a HB each (great for stratagem but it makes them synergize less with my Vindicare)
B. Giving the backfield Tacticals an extra body to make taking each Lascannon out more arduous.
C. Giving the backfield Tacticals Poweraxes in addition to the C-Plasma.
One thing I really don’t like is those Tacticals only sitting back there all game. What do you think about pushing some of them forward midfied (or least daisy chaining them forward and keeping the Lascannon stationary)? Bringing the Sergeant more into play. Your Tacticals on the backheels of your Scouts could really bring the squeeze onto the enemy late game. Otherwise the C-Plas seems sometimes wasted…
If you got a few moments to spare, please let me know what you think.
I did cheat! For shame! lol, forgot about the FAQ change which is ironic, haha. And yes, I DOUBLE cheated by only spending 2 CP! I shall flog myself in shame =P
Moral victory to Quinton, I agree.
Yeah dude, the Las/Plas squads are legit! Very good objective holders and back field fire support.
The Heavy Bolter is solid and works great with the Helfire stratagem to finish off tough targets with Moral Wounds.
Totally good idea on the extra body, I do it with my Devs.
Poweraxe I think comes down to your preference and experiences. I don’t but could see the use as they are largely unsupported and vulnerable to backfield hunting units.
Moving upfield works, I sometimes run them as 5 man units with Flamer/Combi-flamer. It works well. You could opt to put the Combi-Plasma on the Scout Sarge instead, might be easier to get that alpha-strike double tap off. Since my list throws so many units at my opponent, the Tacticals don’t catch much heat so it works for me, YMMV.
Oh, my Scout Sarges already do have C-Plasma since it does not replace a Sniper Rifle! Having them in speedy LSSs can be pretty good! The latter of which also provides one thing that your army list lacks a bit imho: mobility. What if Quinton had brought down his deepstrikers at the other end of the table? What if you play against highly mobile dark eldar lists? If there’s enough LOS blockers, a mobile enemy can leave you in the dust.
For that reason, I have the LSS in my list (and in emergencies the 10 Termies with their teleport homer). If I wanted to optimize the list further, I’d probably include flamer bikers or possibly plasma company veteran bikers. Not to mention that fast units like LSS or Biker can possibly be suicide-positioned forward just to interdict crucial enemy counter movement (or deep strikers) for one turn!
Anyway, given your lack of mobility, I would really advise against deploying right at the enemy table edge in tournaments (unless the enemy has an immobile castle). For fun, casual play it’s just fine. 🙂
tl;dr = consider putting one more mobile element into your army, even if it means a bit less firepower
Just starting to watch, looks awesome.
The SM list is fun but to bad the entire army hinges on one single special (forgeworld) character. Remove this one model from the list and it all falls back down to regular raven guard.
To me is sounds less then “awesome army” and more “awesome special character”. 😛
Wow, that was a nice game. That´s how they are supposed to be.
Hey Reece how are you reserving that many units with only 6 units on the ground?
looks like you had 11 units in reserve. Even if the drop pod was the only thing counted you still had 7.
Other than that looks like a cool army. Needs more plasma guns, I was looking at Lias as an Alpha legion surrogate (and Shrike led Ravens) to bring lots of plasma wielding vets.
Have you run up against a guard list with a conscript blob forcing your deep strikers out of optimal range for the good targets?
Also wouldn’t mixing your dev squads weapon loadouts up among the units make it harder for your opponent to kill the guns they are actually afraid of – each unit taking 1 melta + 2/3 HB.
6 units in reserves: Lias, Sternguard, Captain, Vanguard, Drop Pod, Devs x 2.
In the drop pod: Lt., Ancient, Dev squad, Libby. That counts as 1 drop.
You could totally mix up the weapons in the squads, that would not be a bad idea. Might have to try it, but you have to have the units in range of all weapons or it doesn’t work so well. And I haven’t played against massed Conscripts yet, no. Crunching numbers, I should have no issue, though and the -1 to hit for the artillery really reduces their damage output. I think I would be fine.
“When setting up your army during Deployment for
a matched play game, at least half the total number of units in your
army must be set up on the battlefield,”
From the core rules. It’s about total number of units not drops.
Isn’t Lias, Sternguard, Cap, Vanguard, Drop pod, Dev, Dev 7 units?
Also have you struggled against fliers? It just seems that bringing your own planes is the only cost effective counter to even a couple Storm Ravens, or other decent fliers.
tau drones don’t get a 5+FNP. You should of killed those suits a lot faster.
It was added to Shield Drones in the v1.1 FAQ.
im looking at the GW rules and erreta and can’t seem to find this. link please