Hey everyone, Reecius here to report on how “Da Sons of AnOrky and their Pirate Pals” fared at Adepticon this year! Check out the Tactics Corner for more great tournament reports!
So, Adepticon has once again, come and gone. It was a really great convention, bigger and better than last year. The new hall was awesome, and the hotel was very nice. It is pretty far from the airport, which makes for an expensive ride their and back or form their to the city which is over an hour away, but, if you plan to just hang out at the event, you will have tons to do and be very happy. There is a lot of food around, too. The 40k Team Tournament which is the main draw, was a s giant as ever with beautiful armies all over the place and cool costumes! There were tons of games and hobby events, and some of them had awesome attendance like Malifaux, which was pushing 80 attendees, which is fantastic. In all, the convention was great.
The 40k Championships, the event we at FLG primarily came to play in, had a fairly unique format: Unlimited detachments, no repeated detachments, half Maelstrom missions. We had come to the event assuming all Maelstrom events but there was a bit of confusion on that one and half the missions were Maelstrom at the event. The other half were more of your traditional style Dawn of War missions with modifications. Adpeticon also does not modify Invis or the 2+ reroll mechanic as we do in ITC events.
Given the format and the nature of it being a large, prestigious event, I was assuming we’d be seeing really nasty lists….and I was right! Here are a sample of some of the craziness: 3 Knights+Lynx on a Skyshield, Eldar+ 3 Flyrants, Seer Council, Triple Deathstar Daemons, Imperial Super Friends Bombs with 5+ Detachments worth of Characters in a single unit, Centstars galore, Typhons (LoW with 10″ blast, strength 10, AP1, Ordnance, Ignores Cover, 48″ weapons…yikes!), AdLance + triple Flyrant, etc. Instead of contributing to the madness, I decided to challenge myself and play a “normal” list that while still good for the missions, was hardly a powerhouse list. I brought the following:
Detachment 1: Ork CAD
HQ:
Zhardsnark Da Rippa
Warboss: Mega Armor, Da Lucky Stikk
Troops:
Warbikers x 5: Nob, Klaw
Warbikers x 5: Nob, Klaw
Warbikers x 5: Nob, Klaw
Warbikers x 5: Nob, Klaw
Elites:
Tankbustas x 10
Trukk
Heavy Support:
Lootas x 15
Detachment 2: Da Bullyboyz, Pirate Style!
Mega Nobz x 5
Trukk: Ram
Mega Nobz x 5
Trukk: Ram
Mega Nobz x 5
Trukk: Ram
So, I had a lot of mobility, some heavy hitting melee units, pretty solid shooting, and lots of scoring units. I find I much prefer playing lists that are more challenging like this. Orks certainly have some challenges they have to fight through, primarily being their vulnerability to morale and ignores cover weapons. Most high level lists seek to eliminate variables as a way of increasing the impact player skill has on the outcome of a game. Fearless or similar abilities are one of the key features of many of the best lists. Orks really suffer in this regard.
That is why I took the Bully Boyz! Not only are they fairly powerful in melee being Mega Nobz, they also cause Fear and are BS5. Most importantly though, they are Fearless, which is incredible. They will wipe out most things they fight in melee, but, they do have a critical weakness in not having an invul save. It really stinks that they can’t event get a 5++ as that would be so helpful for mitigating those match-ups where they are fighting enemy units that hit as hard as they do but also have an invul (Hammernators, Thunderwolves, etc.), or that swing first and double them out (Wraithknights, MCs, etc.). Even giving them FnP doesn’t do it as being T4, many AP1 and 2 weapons will be strength 8+. That said though, carefully positioning other units such as Bikers in the same melee to soak up Fist/Hammer style attacks, can be the difference between victory and defeat. Also, you can always slap a cheap Mek in the unit to issue or take a challenge and soak at least 1 Instant Death attack. The other big weakness is their slow speed. The Trukks help a ton, but as soon as the Trukk goes boom, the Bully Boyz aren’t going to move too far from that spot. All that said, they hit like a brick shit-house and most units get utterly steamrolled by them.
My boy Zardsnark Da Rippa is a great HQ, with some cool abilities and an I4 Klaw. Mostly you take him though, because he makes Ork Bikers troops, who, IMO, are vastly superior to units of Boyz. They shoot really well, which takes a lot of folks off guard, and they hit in assault well, too. That plus great mobility, decent durability and being ObSec makes them a solid troop unit. Their only real weaknesses are morale, and ignores cover AP4 weapons, which obliterate the poor buggers.
I also took a Megaboss with Da Lucky Stikk to make my unit of 15 Lootas mobile (he confers S&P onto them), and tanks wounds like a champ due to Da Lucky Stikk. This unit is surprisingly mobile. I almost always advance up the field with it, shooting the lootas at whatever needs killin, then often assaulting as the unit gets +1 WS due to Da Lucky Stikk, and the Megaboss packs a mighty wallop. Often, the unit would fly around the table shooting and assaulting and was a really solid addition to the list.
Lastly, I threw in a unit of 10 Tank Bustas in a Trukk instead of a Dakkajet which I typically take, and really liked them. They are fast and hit very hard, specializing in killing Vehicles and MCs. I mostly took them as Knight killers, but never faced one. They did smoke a number of Wraithknights though, so they certainly earned their pay.
Round 1
Opponent: Matt Schuchman’s Seer Council Eldar
Mission: Maelstrom
Eldar CAD
- Farseer: Jetbike
- Farseer: Jetbike, Shard of Anaris
- Warlocks x 8: Jetbikes
- Guardian Jetbikes x 3
- Guardian Jetbikes x 3
- Guardian Jetbikes x 3
- Guardian Jetbikes x 3
- Wraithknight
- Wraithknight
- Wraithknight
- Skyshield
Eldar Allies
- Farseer: Jetbike, Spirit Stones
- Jetbikes x 3
Right out the gates I get an absolute shit kicker list piloted by a very good player, too! This would not be an easy tournament, lol. To make matters worse, my opponent got first turn which is really tough for the Old Orks. On paper, this was going to be a very, very rough match. However, I had two things going for me: Ork Bikers > Eldar Bikers, and Seer Councils can be crushed by massed AP2 attacks….if you can get there. A LOT of this game was going to boil down to Matt’s first round of shooting.
So, I fail to seize, and we draw our Maelstrom Cards. I draw a shit hand, Matt draws a great hand. He easily jumps up on points where I, unfortunately, get none. He juices up his Seer Council with Invis and Summons a Daemon Herald (Eldar summonning Daemons…so lame even if very good, tactically!) and manages to hit one of my Biker units with Terrify who then, in true Orky fashion, ran off the table giving him First Blood. Ouch. However, critically, his Wraithknights failed to blow up any of my Trukks! So you’re saying I have a chance!
I bum rushed him. I knew my only hope was to take that Seer Council down, fast. They didn’t have Hit and Run, so a single unit of Bully Boyz could conceivably hold them up all game so long as I could just get stuck in. I had to apply pressure, and I had to limit my opponent’s ability to simply run away from me with his Seer Council. So, I circled him with Trukks and Warbikers to limit his movement lanes and allow me to get an assault on him even if he Turbo-Boosted with at least 1 unit. My Lootas went ham and put 4 wounds on a Wraithknight who subsequently dies to over-watch from a unit of Warbikers! That was a funny moment for my side of the table, anyway.
He counter-struck me and blew up a few Trukks, and assaulted a unit of Bully Boyz with a Wraithknight, who killed some, but was in turn destroyed by my Tank Bustas. He opted to go for it, and multi assaulted some of my Warbikers and Bully Boyz with his last Wraithknight and Seercouncil in an attempt to break my rush. However, the Wraithknight fell flat, killing only a single Bully Boy, and was in turn Klawed to death. My Biker unit got smoked, but the Bully Boyz put an ass whipping down on the Seer Council through weight of dice, even through invis and killed half the unit. As they were Fearless, they couldn’t run away, and had no hit and run. As the Bully Boyz are Fearless, and there were no Wraithknights left to bail the Council out, they were doomed.
At this point, I felt mega confident. I smashed the Seercouncil in the next turn, leaving only the 5 Jetbike squads and 2 summoned Daemon Heralds left to deal with. My remaining Bikes, Lootas, and Bully Boyz (who mounted back up in surviving Trukks) were able to hunt them down and kill them all. Funnily though, due to Maelstrom, I still may not have won as my opponent had so many more points than me, but I had a huge last two turns, getting 18 points, giving me the full 30 point victory.
Round 2
Opponent: Eldar & Tyranids
Mission: Kill Points
Eldar CAD
- Spiritseer
- Dire Avengers x 5
- Wave Serpent: S.Cannon, Holo, Scatter Laser
- Dire Avengers x 5
- Wave Serpent: S.Cannon, Holo, Scatter Laser
- Jetbikes x 3
- Jetbikes x 3
- Wraithknight
- Wraithknight
Hive Fleet Detachment
- Flyrant: Grubs
- Flyrant: Grubs
- Flyrant: Grubs
- Mucolid
- Mucolid
- Mucolid
Ah yes, the storied Eldar/Tyranid team-up, sung of in poems and legend! Haha, man, some of these CtA lists just kill the fluff lover in me. That said, my opponent was a great guy and I would happily play him again. I just cringe when I see lists like this.
But, my reaction to the list aside, this was going to be a REALLY rough match-up in a Kill Points mission…or any mission for that matter. Wave Serpents just doo-doo on Trukks, and Flyrants can be a bear for Orks, too. I knew that I really wanted first turn and Mork or Gork be praised, I got it! My opponent deployed ultra aggressively right on the line. I think he underestimated Ork shooting. He failed to Seize and I had a great first turn of shooting. I ran all the Bikers right at his Flyrants, and through their, the Lootas and Tank Bustas shooting was able to kill two Flyrants while they were still on the ground! Even better, one had the brutally scary Psychic Shrike (which MURDERS Orks) and the other had Catalyst. Nice one, Boyz!
This really demoralized my opponent, but he was a very good player and targeted the easy Kill Points first, pulling ahead of me in Kill Points easily. My counter attack though, killed the last Flyrant who failed his grounding test (Warbikers are quite good at killing FMCs) and I made a long turn 2 Charge with Tank Bustas to kill a Wraithknight. This really put my opponent on his back foot, and I pressed the advantage, charging his Wave Serpents and hunting down his Bikers as they came in. He kept wracking up the KPs, but I was positioned to pull way out in front as I cornered the Serpents and smashed them, and hunted down the last Wraithknight with my Loota+Warboss unit. Insult to injury, my opponent’s Warlord and Dire Avenger unit failed a morale check and ran off the board on the last turn, giving me Warlord and two more KP.
By end game, he had a single Jetbike left. He made a critical error during deployment and he knew it. I was able to take out two massive threats right away. Had he seized though, or gone first, that would have been a massively more difficult game for me. Orks take it, with 29/30 points!
Round 3
Opponent: Tau+Farsight Enclave
Mission: Maelstrom
Tau CAD+Tau Allies (From memory, may have a few mistakes)
- Commander x 2: Between the regular and Farsight Commander, they had Ignores Cover, Drone Controller, Puretide, Marker Drones and Missile Pods
- Crisis: All able to fire on different targets, missile pods, marker drones
- Kroot x 12+Kroot Hound
- Kroot x 12+Kroot Hound
- Kroot x 12+Kroot Hound
- Kroot x 12+Kroot Hound
- Crisis Suit x 2: Fusion
- Crisis Suit x 2: Fusion
- Riptide: Fusion, Burst
- Riptide: Plasma, Ion
- Riptide: Fusion, Burst, Earth Caste
My absolute worst match-up in the worst deployment: Hammer and Anvil. Womp, womp! Orks positively hate Tau, it is such a rough match-up. Tau ignoring cover all over the place, their mobility, overwatch, and fire power just shred the poor Orks. I rarely win this match-up. I knew I was in for a tough fight.
I did get first turn though, which was critical. I bum rushed him with everything, which was a bit of a mistake. I did so because I knew I needed to apply a lot of pressure and with a little luck, I would be able to get a turn 2 charge and finish the game early. However, the way it played out I was unable–by inches–to get more than a single turn 2 charge as my opponent wisely decided to fall back to the board edge in the face of the oncoming Ork tidal wave. Even with him having very cold dice early game, I was only able to catch one Riptide turn 2 and the Bully Boyz smashed it. Had it been any other deployment type, I would have utterly creamed him with massed assaults on that turn, but Hammer and Anvil gave him just enough real estate to fall back out of range of most of my units. The Crisis Suit Command unit with the Commanders who Ignored Cover, were all twin linked, and had Tank Hunters if they chose, were just devastating to my army. They killed Warbikers on 2+, and Trukks were absolutely obliterated by them. They were able to destroy two units a turn until turn 3 where I was able to sacrifice a unit to get my Warlord into them who subsequently crushed the unit with his Klaw in melee. That gave me some breathing room.
His 2 man Crisis Units came down to go for Mealstrom points and his Kroot were coming on the flanks, picking up points, too. I was able to kill most of them but, I made a big mistake late game as I tried to kill the last two Riptides who honestly, were not the real threat. Typically I am extremely good at keeping the mission in mind but I realized too late in the game that I should have shifted my focus to Maelstrom points and let the Riptides do whatever. That was my fault and had I not done that, I could have reduced the Tau narrow victory (only lost by 4pts) to a draw or a minor win in my favor. It’s all good though, it was a close fought game and I know it could have gone my way had I not lost my focus. I do have to say though, that had I gone second or my opponent not had cold dice early game, it would have most likely been pretty brutal. I would have had to play a really unorthodox game to make it a fair fight. I am thinking about getting a Battlewagon in my list to counter the massed strength 6 and 7 Tau shooting. It would help a ton.
Orks suffer a minor loss.
Round 4
Opponent: Max Schuchard’s Space Wolves and Grey Knights
Mission: Objectives
Company of the Great Wolf
- Wolf Lord: T.Wolf, Runic, T.Hammer, Storm Shield, Fellclaw’s Teeth
- Ironwolf
- Ironwolf
- T.Wolf Cav x 6: S.Shields x 6, P.Fist x 3
Grey Knight Nemesis Strike Force
- Libby: Lvl 3
- Terminators x 5: Psycannon
- Interceptors x 10: Incinerators x 2
- Dreadknight: H.Incinerator, Gatling Psi, Teleporter
- Dreadknight: H.Incinerator, Gatling Psi, Teleporter
I don’t know what it was, but I got mega fatigued in this game. It was like all of a sudden I had just run a marathon or something. Despite the fact that I was still definitely in the hunt to make the finals, and this was a game that would be difficult but winnable, I just lost my enthusiasm for it. I asked my opponent if he just wanted to go Brave Heart, and bum rush each other, seeing where the dice fell, and he agreed. He was a great sport and a really fun person to play, and also quite good!
His army was straight up better than mine in melee, but I had more attacks and bodies. The key was going to be taking out the Dreadknights and handling his mega Wolfstar without sacrificing too many of my own assets. If I could get Tank Bustas or Bikers on his Fists in that unit, soaking hits to keep my Meganobz alive to swing twice, I would win the fight. If not, I would get owned. Now, to be fair, the smart play would have been to just reserve my Bikers and Tank Bustas, run away from him all game, and play for the objectives at end game (he had no ObSec) for a pretty certain victory…but we were going balls out!
Long story short, we smashed into each other full force and damn near tabled one another, lol! In the end 2 things cost me. 1, a biker failed a dangerous terrain check into assault with a Dreadknight which made me fail the charge, which cost me killing it (only had 2 wounds left), and a Nob in melee with Max’s last 2 model’s form his Wolfstar (both with only a single wound, one of whom had no invul save) whiffed with 4 attacks, doh! Had those two things gone my way, I would likely tabled my opponent. However, they didn’t and he was able to break out of the massive scrum leaving me with only Mega Nobz left whom he wisely ran away from to sit on objectives. This was only turn 3, lol! We had almost nothing left. Seeing as I only had Bully Boyz left, and couldn’t catch him, we called it with he holding two objectives to my one.
Wolves get the luck they needed to win a moderate victory over the Orks! My opponent was a great dude, and hey, the dice fell his way.
That’s a Wrap!
So, in the end, the Orks did pretty dang well, considering the insane meta we were in. Had I not hit Tau on the way to the finals, who knows? But I had fun, and feel confident with the Orks. The Bully Boyz are fantastic. You just need to think things through with them. They need a way to get up the field and if they do find their Trukk destroyed in a crappy position, just have them hoof it over to an objective and sit on it, being Fearless with a 2+, 2 wounds and not a unit you want to get close to, they are good at holding objectives. As stated, it may be worth while finding a way to get a Battlewagon in there to deliver at least one unit more reliably up-field.
The Megaboss with Lootas was also a solid unit, running around, shooting and assaulting quite well.
The Warbikers were also solid, but do suffer a big weakness to ignores cover or leadership attacks.
Tank Bustas are absolutely awesome. Such a good unit and the gem of the Ork dex. You cannot take enough of them.
I will definitely be playing them, again!
I been waiting all day to adepticon vicariously through your article lol
It was a good time.
nice writeup and good performance sir!
Thanks!
Very curious as to what I was sorting through on the Adepticon results spreadsheet, overall you’re top 35, in “points” you’re top 10. I’m definitely missing something
Maybe the painting judges really like pirates!
Yeah, maybe they adjusted some scores after the event? Day of, I was 33 as far as I could tell, but it’s all good. I got a solid paint score, which I am sure helped a ton!
Nice work dude. I’ll def try out the Megaboss lootas and tank busta unit.
You won’t be disappointed! The unit stomps around blasting stuff. Just be careful of things that can challenge and kill the Warboss in a single hit, like smashing character MCs. Anything else though, they walk right through.
Man Reece I saw the final standings and you were just out of the top 32. Had you of played out game four I’m sure you would’ve been in. Either way great run with the Works. I plan on trying a similar list at the Scorched Earth Open so I’ll let you know how that goes.
Yeah, it was good fun! I made some mental errors or I would have made it. BUt yeah, let us know how you do!
Cool list man, and nice write up. I hope people seeing a list like this doing reasonably well in a large tournament with a fairly unrestricted format gives people the courage to run their on “fun” lists.
Yeah, it was good fun. I don’t regret at all taking a fun list. It was good for the missions, but definitely has it’s short comings. I enjoyed myself though, more than if I would have brought a shit kicker list.
Great reports, I don’t think I can remember battle details that well especially after a grueling four games! I did the Classic and Highlander, also favoring more fluffily appropriate armies. but even in those there were some real tough armies, displaying the single codex power of Eldar in the Classic. Not sure who took the Highlander though.
Adepticon is soooo huge now. That was a very nice venue. I hope to be able to go next year again!
Yeah, it is giant! They must be proud to have built it up so much over the years.
I think you meant you took 10 Tank Bustas in a Trukk, not Lootas NATCH
Yup, thanks for pointing that out.
Congratz. Well done! CtA allies really need to go away 🙁
Yeah, CtA hurts my soul! haha
Reece, you mentioned needing a way to get the Bully Boyz upfield without their trukk getting destroyed. Have you considered using a squadron of Forgeworld Gunwagons? They are 13/12/10 with 3 HP, so they are a lot more durable than a trukk, and as a squadron they do not easily give up first blood. The downside is of course that they are a squadron and you need to keep your Bully Boyz somewhat together, but the frontage of an individual Gunwagon is about 3.5″ giving you an 18″ zone that the gunwagons can take up. They can also take Boarding Planks for 1/3 of the price in the Ork Codex thanks to the magic of Forgeworld.
Anyways, worth considering.
That sounds pretty awesome, actually. How many points are they and what slot do they take up? My FW books are in the studio, right now, or I would look it up.
They are 60 points base, and the power of forgeworld makes the Boarding Plank only 5 points. With the Ram they are double the cost of a trukk, but still about half the price of a Battlewagon. Heavy Support slot and you can take 3 of them as a squadron, so just one heavy support slot for all 3. Or you could take 3 individual ones if you prefer.
Hmmm, not bad at all. I will definitely have to look further into that.
Yeah, a friend clued me into these a while ago, I’m building up some to use to transport my Mega Nobz and/or Tankbustas. The durability of the rides MORE than make up for the slightly slower speed.
I’ve been working on scratch building Gunwagons, but I can’t figure out the correct size. How do you know the frontage is 3.5″? How long are they?
1) I’ll come pick you up from the airport next year (or, if not me, then I’m sure someone would be willing to). I’ll even give rides to Frankie and Geoff.
2) What kind of terrain did you have in your Hammer & Anvil vs. the Tau? Did your placing terrain give you better/worse odds?
3) Would you consider fewer, bigger units of bikers? I think the ork player from Colorado had two (three?) huge units. He seemed to represent Orks well, finishing 16th (18th?) overall after day two.
Thanks, buddy! Also, it was awesome to meet you.
We had normal terrain and my placing helped, but with him able to fall back with jet pack moves, there wasn’t much I could do.
Yeah, Jon McCool did really well with those big units. I tried running a unit of 15 with Zardsnark, but it just leaves you vulnerable to leadership attacks, IME, with all the eggs in one basket. What I have found matters, is how many Nobs with Klaws you can get into a fight. IME, that is more important than a bigger unit.
Great meeting you too!
I don’t know thing one about Orks (no one plays them locally), so I’ve got nothing but questions about them. I’d like to see if more than just Green Tide is viable.
I feel that the terrain at AdeptiCon, overall, is too short for today’s tall models (and, from the looks of AdMech, tomorrow’s tall models too). I’m going to lobby for renovating (building onto) existing pieces in order to get more LoS blocking terrain on more tables (where LoS blocking = at least 8″ high). I will also lobby for an increase of impassible terrain (I despise IKnights, and one of the things that makes me happy is seeing them have to move around something).
I played in the Highlander with my not-particularly-competitive yellow Noise Marines (We did it for chaos!) and got shot to pieces by a shooty Tau list. The terrain was TO placed (well, it was supposed to be, but with so many people moving it to set up display boards we just set it up the way a TO would have…). If it were player placed, I may well have still lost, but at least my bikers and daemonettes might have made it more than 1/2 way across the board.
In short, I think player placed terrain should become tournament standard.
Player placed terrain works well with large pieces like Adepticon’s, but when you have multiple pieces of varying size, it can get really lopsided, really fast. We use a combination of big and little terrain pieces, too, so it would take a lot longer and things like defense lines and such would require explanation as to how to place or you’d end up with pieces all the table.
I agree that in today’s meta, you need tall pieces of terrain. We go for at least 2, tall pieces that can hide a Knight, and sometimes even a flyer.
Congrats. How did you go 2-2 and finish ranked 33 out of 200? Were they running battlepoints instead of W/L?
It was battle points and I had a good sports and paint score, which is why I finished so high.
Players qualified for the Top 32 based on their total points (not just battle points). I think it serves to increase the number of well-rounded players/armies in the running for the championships. If you’re an alpha-bag with a poorly painted army, you’d better be scoring max Battle Points or you won’t see day 2.
Congrats Reece! Too bad you were too tired to really play Game 4, but sometimes, there just are more important things in life….like getting shit-faced drunk and partying after the “party”.
Yeah, exactly! haha
Was great seeing you again Reece! Got a great shot of you in concentration mode!
http://www.feedyournerd.com/greggles-tabletop/adepticon-2015-vicious-table-top-combat-prepare-for-warphotos
And for anyone wondering, the orks were beautiful! Lovely job on them by FLG!
Awesome pics!!
About time someone else write some Ork batreps 😉
Great writeup and some pretty darned good playing too! I’ve never run a list like that myself so some of the elements are a lot more interesting now 🙂
Hahaha. Megaboss with Lootaz is one of my favorite units. I usually put them in a Battlewagon, but these days I have been very discouraged by random allocation of wounds when the wagon explodes. I’ll give the foot-based unit with lukky stikk a try… it sounds much heartier, if not a little tough to maneuver safely.
In hind site I may also give him a Bosspole as in a unit that sized it’d work great, possibly even Cybork as it gives him a last ditch to avoid something like a Wraithknight. But as it was, the unit performed admirably. No one bothered shooting them in most cases as the Megaboss is so resilient. I had a close call with a Wraith-Cannon though, lol, luckily he passed his LoS! roll.
Reece,
I remembered the other reason behind those gun wagons…they can take boarding planks for 5 points! So basically av13 trukk’s with boarding planks for 55 I think.
Well done, Reece, you make the greenskin race proud.
You should try a big mek w/ sag on a warbike. Besides being totally awesome, their actually really good! I usually throw a pk on him too just for good measures. 😉
@Reece: How do you play Zhardsnark’s tank shock ability? I read on Dakka that you can just ram him into a vehicle turn1, which would then mean your b2b come the assault phase and then can swing on it for an almost garunteed first blood.
Thoughts?
Your list did better than I thought it would for sure. If youre ever in the Arkansas area. You and I should play a game and see how two vastly different ork lists compare.