Doc Dragon busts out his scary AV14/13 spam Black Templar list vs. Reecius’ Nidzilla army in an 1850pt video bat rep! As always, check out the Tactics Corner for more great video bat reps!
Doc Dragon busts out his scary AV14/13 spam Black Templar list vs. Reecius’ Nidzilla army in an 1850pt video bat rep! As always, check out the Tactics Corner for more great video bat reps!
Good game! Gonna show this to my Tyranid buddy who complains about not having any way to deal with armor.
Yeah, it is difficult to deal with heavy armor for Nids, but it can be done.
Fun game!
It was a super fun, and quick, game!
Hrm. Those spawned Gaunts don’t have OS, so how did they contest his objective?
They do, actually. Spawned Gants are treated exactly as if they were purchased as a troop (pg.48 of the Nid Dex).
Ooh, cool! Just read it and you’re correct. Makes the Tervigon delivery bomb tactic actually worthwhile. Whaaaat? Tyranids got a beneficial rule?! 😉
Lol, I know, right?! It is pretty damn useful.
The way it looked and sounded on the video was that you counted the tail. I’m not saying you did. It just came across that way
That was likely due to a consolidation move, following his successful assault with the Tervigon. I’m guessing here, though.
Understandable. But no, it was the base not the tail in range. Just the way I said it sounded confusing.
Great game! Love both these lists. I especially like the changes you’ve made to your Nids list. Really well rounded. Which makes your victory (however slim) impressive against such an unbalanced list.
Thanks! Yeah, this is the list I have settled on for 1850. I am getting them all painted up, now and have been really enjoying the mix of units. I was sweating when I saw all that armor!
I really like the move of the Tervigon to the HQ.
The Gant tax saved essentially got you the third Carnifex.
She kind of slips under the radar given your saturation and can easily annihilate heavy vehicles for you.
She can birth a host of OS gants right into their deployment zone on her march across the table.
When you come up against someone who can easily swat your Flyrant out of the sky she makes a solid Warlord further complicating target priority.
Only one problem with that. A Tervigon can’t be a Warlord unless you have no characters in your army. And if you don’t have any characters and you do make her Warlord you don’t get a Warlord trait.
Yeah, I was messing around with a unit of min Stealers with a Broodlord as the Warlord. Works well, actually, but you have to be very conservative with the unit or it dies.
Exactly. Those were my exact same conclusion.
She unfortunately can’t be the warlord as she’s not a character any more =(
I didn’t realize that. Unfortunate as that would have been great.
Have you really felt the loss of the second flyrant much? kudos to you for making that step! I am really struggling with my bugs, especially vs Tau.
Don’t feel bad, everyone struggles against Tau! For me, that is a tough match, too.
And no, I am not feeling the loss of the Flryant at all. I only used two, briefly. I take one because you kind of have to, but they are so fragile. I am liking taking all the ground pounders as they tend to be more points efficient.
Great game, and against so much armor. Advice for you Reece, take Electroshock Grubs on your flyrant and your tervigon. It’ll make you better in dealing with parking lots.
BTW, tervigons are only S5 base, so S6 on the charge with Adrenals.
Crushing claws add +1 Strength so it’s S7 on the charge. Except for the Hammer of Wrath hit.
As Joshdog pointed out, I had Claws for +1 and Adrenal for +1 taking me to 7. It make the Tervigon a good tank hunter.
And yeah, I think the Electroshock grubs on the tervigon is a good fit over Shreddershard as it fits in with the tank hunting role, good suggestion.
And thanks, that was a good game. I was pretty intimidated by all that armor, lol!
Don’t discount the idea of EG on your flyrant, either, Reece! It really does add versatility to an already amazing unit and for mere pennies.
I know you’re thinking that it already has two TL devs that get the job done, but just imagine the scenarios in which the EG will be better: up against AV13-14, two or more tanks with one shot, units in cover with 5+ Sv, overwatch against walkers (that one just came to me). I feel like a flyrant without EG just loses out on so much opportunity and is pigeonholed even more than it already is.
Yeah, I totally see the worth. With the Flyrant’s speed it is likely to get into position to hit multiple tanks.
When you said the Carnifex was ‘dragging its butt’ did you mean that it was scoring the objective because of its tail? I thought all non-vehicle units/models measured everything from their bases?
Bit off-topic but I just wanted to say I really enjoyed your report against Zagman’s Farsight Tau.
A very entertaining style of report. Do you have a link to any others you’ve done?
My BRep? Cool, thanks! Here’s a link to my ‘channel’ (note: air quotes indicate exactly how seriously I take myself, which is not very):
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCxTq_pBx2ON1wECUZBcVv2g
Subscribed. 🙂
Thanks
That’s a Reece Robbins advanced tactic
A.k.a. a, “Reece Special”? >.>
The back edge of its base, not the tale, as you are right that it is the base not stuff sticking off that counts.
A Tervigon with claws only averages 1 pen and 1 glance on the charge verses a Landraider, you Reecius got pretty luck to blow it up in one go.
Also that comment about the T-fex dragging its but is a little fishy
The LR hadn’t moved. -edit, you don’t auto-hit vehicles that didn’t move anymore, keep forgetting that one.
And dragging its but is fishy? How so? I kept the back edge of my base within range to hold the objective. What’s fishy about that?
Nah, just the way you said it made it seem like you were claiming control of the objective from the ‘fex’s tail. 🙂
Ah, no, he was still on the objective.
One rules question – Tervigon pretty much splattered the LR at the 5th turn and BT-player lamented that he didnt move with it. But it doesnt matter – you only ever autohit vehicles when they are immobilized. Did you play it as autohits or ws1?
(might not mattered anyway. Those crushing claws sounds naaaasty.)
Not really vs a Landraider.
coming in he has 4 attack. so vs ws 1 three should hit. then he is str7 with 2d6 armour pen. the average on 2d6 is 7. so on average he should get 1 seven, 1 above 7, and one below 7, getting 1 pen and 1 glance, He would then have to roll a 6 on his pen to blow it up. So most of the time he has a very bad chance to actually kill it in one round
@Blightstar
You are right, we both forgot that rule change.
Thoughts on non-BA vindicators?
I love that BT list but it needs some distractions like storm talons to round it out and to give the opponent some difficult choices.
Thoughts on the Exocrine? I’ve seen it used in a dozen different vidbatreps and still have not seen it perform.
Vindies are OK, they are cheap. I wish they had better side armor, as 11 just doesn’t cut it.
I agree, 3 Storm Talons instead of Vindies would be a better list, IMO, but the Vindies are pretty scary!
I love the Exocrine. Mine is usually one of my top performers but in this game he simply didn’t have many viable targets to choose from. Typically though, he kicks ass.
How about 3 LRs (instead of 4), 3 Vindis, and 2 Storm Talons? This is a list I’ve been mulling over for the last 2 weeks.
That would definitely work, too.
Exocrine is fantastic, especially with that formation. But like the vindicators weren’t particularly effective vs monstrous creatures they could only deal 1 wound at a time to, so the exocrine had to use it’s crappy BS and 6 shot weapon to try and defeat AV13. Which on avg dice is less than a glance per turn.
Fantastic unit though, melts anything without an AV.
Yeah, in general, it is quite good.
Hmm Im not 100%.. but reecius..your nidzilla list seems more like a 2k list unless im wrong on the points somewhere.
Eh, unless I made a big error somewhere it is 1850pts.
or is that a unit of 2 carnifex and 1 carnifex.. think i misread the list itself
Yes, 1 x 2 and 1×1
my bad thats where i jacked up…awesome bat report and I do love the nid list…been going same routes with my list…minimal troops for maximum killing power in true nidzilla fashion
One thing I always find hilarious about Black Templar lists is how much the players complain about not getting their own book and how unique they are, etc, etc, and then proceed to spam shooting units. Even when they did have their own book, it was usually an army of spammed five-Marine squads with a heavy weapon.
Good times, totally captures the “zealot-space-crusader” theme 😉
Great battle report as usual. As I am currently unable to play (stationed overseas), watching all this helps me prepare for 7th edition when for when I’m back in the States, so thanks!
Reecius, are you sold on the Tervigon now? I know you were considering dropping her completely. And what’s your opinion on the T-Fex? Their potential always seems incredible, but their performance never matches up, especially for the points.
Yeah, I go back and forth on her. She gives Synapse though, which is necessary, and is resilient. I assume she will make a single troop during the game and just plan on that. With upgrades, she hits pretty hard, and shoots OK. But, like you said, so pricey. Flyrants outpace the rest of the army and die easily, though, for the same price. The Tervigon tends to survive the game.